Talk:Lifetimes (song)

Requested Move on 29 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Lifetimes (Katy Perry song) → Lifetimes (song)

It's better to request a move than to make a quick redirect, since this established article already has a history of edits. And the other existing article doesn't really have a history of edits, just some quick redirects and categories. Is it Juan? (talk) 20:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support this is the only track titled "Lifetimes" that even warrants a page, so using "(song)" is a sufficient parenthetical per WP:CONCISE. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support per WP:SONGDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 01:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support unless the Sheryl Crow one is notable. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Support. The Sheryl Crow song doesn't seem notable. HappyWith (talk) 20:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Support the move. I also believe that, if this is done, the following hatnote should be added:

For the Sheryl Crow song, see Wildflower (Sheryl Crow album).

Bizarre Bizarre^{Talk modern to me} 19:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't see a point in that note when the song itself has no article and doesn't warrant one, plus these aren't the only two tracks to have that title. There's a song of the same name by Slam which also has no page and I also doubt it would qualify for one in the foreseeable future. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The hatnote should be something like {{For|other songs with similar names|Lifetime (disambiguation){{!}}Lifetime}}. Topics do not need to be the main subject of an article in order to merit a disambiguation hatnote. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per the nominator's rationale and the above discussion. This is the only song with this title that has an article so the additional disambiguation is not necessary. I think a hat note could be helpful, but I believe the more general one would be more beneficial than one specifically for the Sheryl Crow song. Aoba47 (talk) 23:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

DAB link

Apparently (per this revert), SNUGGUMS continues to disagree with the need for a hatnote. I may not follow up further on that issue immediately, but I think the hatnote is needed. As far as I know, there is no Wikipedia policy or guideline that says a topic needs to be the main subject of an article in order to merit a hatnote, and in fact WP:DAB explicitly says otherwise in its opening sentence. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

My removal actually had nothing to do with whether this is a primary topic; I specifically said in the linked edit summary that the other songs have no articles in the first place. With that in mind, pointing towards a DAB that has no other "Lifetimes" song links is pointless. In fact, aside from a LifeTimes album article, all of the entries that merit pages are instead titled "Lifetime", so I'm not convinced there's any benefit of pointing to a bunch of things that use singular form instead of plural. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Did you miss the part of the opening sentence of WP:DAB that refers to "a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic", or these two other "Lifetimes" songs listed on the Lifetime page?

• "Lifetimes", a 2001 track by Slam
• "Lifetimes", a 2005 song by Sheryl Crow from Wildflower

—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

That applies more to DAB page listings than it does linking to a DAB on other articles. Had either of those other songs warranted articles, we could just use their individual links instead, and for what it's worth I wouldn't recommend listing names with plural form on a page that mainly focuses on the singular form. We'd be better off just using a link to the album I mentioned earlier when that actually has its own page and I highly doubt anybody would be more likely to first search for tracks that don't even merit their own pages. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 11:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Just a hatnote to Lifetimes (Katy Perry song) will do. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

That term now redirects to here after the page was renamed. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Oops I meant Wildflower (Sheryl Crow album), as there only appears to be that other song a link to the DAB page is probably not needed unless a distingish is needed from the singular as there are other songs in the singular. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)