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This page is obscenely biased, it deeply needs revision, I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.10.214.125 (talk) 15:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

An entire section from the History section has been copy-pasted from reference 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.232.209 (talk) 04:28, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

VFD

• Scope is there to exapnd the article, and I am sure the contents shall continue to be expanded .58]] (talk) 10:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Bias much?

This article reads more like an essay arguing for deregulation, rather than an article about a historic Indian euphemism. As said, this should be flagged NPOV.--Ahuja91 (talk) 00:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Look who is biased. There are clear and evident scholarly material on the regressive nature of Indian Labour Laws, especially a country that has been economicaclly asphixiated by a mixture of socialistic,bureaucratic and populist policies with inferior governance metrics to show for it since its birth as a republic. The audacity to claim that India is on the path of deregulation is disingenius to say the least especially any loosening of regressive regulations will only create a healthy breathing room for the nations economic prospects, That is not the same thing as shilling for market fundamentalism in a third world country, the effects of which would actually be undeniably devastating. Regressive socialistic development models are no longer even considered any more in actual communist nations, especially if they are on the lower income spectrum.

you are welcome to a good read: https://academics.hamilton.edu/economics/Home/xu_colgate_paper.pdf Outgoingman (talk) 14:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Bangladesh

There is also a License Raj system in Bangladesh, and unlike in India, it still remains in effect there. The fundamental concepts are the same. I find it a little ironic that Bengalis really hate Communism, but West Bengal and Tripura are communist, and Bangladesh has a lot of Communist systems in place. Price controls (on ALL consumer goods) and License Raj both stay in effect. InMooseWeTrust (talk) 00:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Bangladesh is a peoples republic that explicitly calls for a socialist society, But In Bangladesh labour unions are heavily restricted or have been until very recently, which has created a very favourble environment for low end textile manufacturing jobs. Which is reflected in their PCI, add relatively functional governance and you get a growing nation. Indians still havent figured out the corrosive effects of unionization in an underdeveloped country where populism and blind ideology reigns supreme. India's founding fathers in their profound, inexperience, incompetance and ideological obsessions devoid of functional understanding of basic economic realities crippled India's economic potential with Article 19(1)(c) of the Indian Constitution by ordaining dysfunctional systems of populism as constitutional rights and that is just the begining, later on even the distinguished Dr.Ambedkar couldnt stem the tide of ideological fanatics from ruining the nations economic prospects. To understand the true nature of Indian labour regime is to understand the regulatory caputure of the labour legislations by organized labour activists and trade unionists during the infancy of the republic, the carcinogenic burden of which is still borne by the average citizen in India, in the form of youth unemployment and inability to move into value added manufacturing sectors which further faces challenges from poor quality of education, untrained teachers, inferior infrastructure, jingoitic governance and a bureaucratic class with an overinflated sense of self importance with little to show for it in terms of governance and/or competancy

https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2019/sep/09/fight-for-right-the-curious-case-of-keralas-fiery-union-activists-2030870.html Mind you this is amongst the most educated state in India, My home state.

But their is hope even if it is fleeting.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/hc-declares-nokkukooli-illegal/article37998522.ece

this has been going on for the better part of nearly two decades.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2011/nov/10/tvm-declared-nokkukooli-free-308708.html

history before this is much more pitiable, with the left wing intellectual class providing implicit support, most of which is not available on digital records. Outgoingman (talk) 15:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Licence Raj and Major Conglomerates

I think more information needs to be added on the Licence Raj's influence on the state of economic concentration in South Asia, I remember reading about this on another article some years ago, that this article completely avoids talking about. Essentially, people with the right connections used political red tape to make sure their companies had monopolies and advantages.

Quick source: http://www.business-standard.com/article/beyond-business/kings-of-the-licence-raj-110101600035_1.html

I'm sure other sources can be found. I'm flagging it up since it's a major aspect of India's history that's been avoided. Weewaterasia (talk) 21:57, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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I am thinking of removing the term section from this page. I feel that the two parts within the term section can be moved. I would move the quote into history and tie it into my expansion of the history section. Additionally, I would move where the term came from to the overview of licence raj. I hope this is okay and I am open to feedback on my idea. Edwardmillet (talk) 21:00, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Source for 80 government agencies?

Is there another source for somebody needing licences from up to 80 government agencies outside of the BBC article? I remember looking it up on the internet however I found no mention of it which gave any example, only one which mentioned it as an urban legend. I had also looked on the website indiabefore91.in. It contained many interesting peculiarities of the Licence Raj, like price controls and waiting lists on new cars leading to second hand cars selling for higher prices. However even there I found no mention of somebody needing 80 licences...

License Raj is a broad enough term, different industries would have needed different licenses aside from a few standard ones, but when the system has explicitly labelled itself as socialist, bureaucrats and politicians rule the roost, plus limits or outright prohibition on production and imports of critical critical materials that still plague the country is still fairly common, the government wasnt really interested in building out localized private industrial and manufacturing setups at least the results dont really show, most of the efforts where either half hearted or steeped in standard Indian incompetency, the imperious and jingoistic nature of Indian bureaucrats turned away foreign entrepreneurs and business entities, compare that with what Taiwan and Singapore did with Philips and Israel did with Intel, We had political leaders who drove out IBM and boasted about their relative machoness instead of reaching a functional solution that could add value to the nation, we HAVE leaders who are currently sitting chief ministers who refused to go through with land acquisition for railways to get political brownie points and boost their populist credentials(the sheer level of incompetency and uselessness and disservice these people show towards the country is just..) among the corrosive Indian masses that literally eat the country inside out burdening and jeopardizing the future of the whole society not with their population growth but with their ill informed populism and half baked understanding of welfare policies and shortsighted obsessions with reservations, cant really blame them either they have been trained to live off of redistributions and reservations. Anyway I digress, nearly every level of the Indian system from the Judiciary to the Executive to the Legislature to the bureaucratic class to even the avg. Indian was indoctrinated in the superior way of socialism and evils of capital. Hostility to capital and competency in governance has been the hallmark of the Indian republic for the longest period, largely still true but Present govt for all its flaws has at least made some cosmetic moves to alter that if not in practice then at least in perception. India's progress works in reverse dog years. It takes India five years to achieve what a large functional country can do in less than a year. Plus blaming the west is pass time in India especially amongst the purveyors of Indian intellectualism in the economic sphere, when there are nations that experienced far far worse than India ever did and still bounced back and forged miles and miles ahead than India can ever hope to be. Plus the ideologically idiotic and misplaced environmentalism has done additional damage by adding compliance burden, an abject lack of awareness regarding the necessary nature of bearing the short term environmental costs in order to attain long term economic advantages is still a foreign concept to many Indians, ideology is useless in terms of necessities. Greentech in India still has far too many holes, but hey one can hope.

Lastly that graph there compares the growth of India's economy with that of South Korea. However South Korea received massive amounts of US aid, would not, for example, Thailand make a better comparison?

South Korea's economy was ravaged by war, Plus South Korea was also a staunch American ally, our intellectually superior leaders in their infinite wisdom and enlightened ideological background made sure the country could not develop beyond the unofficial motto in practice of 'equality in poverty'. The PRC didnt receive any economic aid to that end neither did Singapore. India received economic aid, but was erratic in terms of reliability, our incompetencies and ideological delusions were subsidized by the soviets, so once they were gone we lost our ideological sponsors. Infact being an American ally was something that worked favourably for many, there was a cost ofcourse but India's obsession with self righteous fantasies jingoistic moral grandstanding cost us a massive economic opportunity which the chinese where much more receptive to, and sans their inbuilt systemic deficiencies they were able to take great advantage of resulting in the present status quo where PRC dwarfs India's economy.

the 1991 reforms where the result of the Structural Adjustment Program imposed by the Americans in practice, we had to park our gold oversees to make sure they'd release the necessary funds, IT was NOT a voluntary decision to open up. Infact industrialists like the late Rahul Bajaj behaved like the incompetent Indian industrialist who loathed any kind of meaningful competition, the fact that his company go the agency to increase production and later on take advantage of a larger market without state imposed controls is another matter entirely.

P.S - sorry for the rant had to get it of my chest.