Talk:Li Xianyu

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Horse Eye Jack in topic Sources

Sources edit

@Horse Eye Jack: All sources used in the article are either from government entities (All-China Women's Federation) or mainstream media (Phoenix Television), and are considered reliable per WP:RS. Your seem to be confusing WP:Reliable with WP:Biased. Please see my comment on an related discussion at WP:RSN. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Government entities (especially those of a totalitarian nation) would not be considered reliable in this context (neither would the People’s Daily but I see thats been removed) so we appear to have difference of opinion on that, I am wrong about Phoenix Television though and freely admit that. After doing a bit of research on them they do appear to have the minimum necessary amount of editorial independence to qualify as a reliable source. We do however need three WP:RS and even by your own count we only have two so why remove the request for additional sources? You appear to be confusing Refimprove with Unreferenced, I’m not saying anything is unreferenced just that we need additional sources (something I think we can both agree on). Horse Eye Jack (talk) 04:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
Please do not use your personal opinion to override Wikipedia guidelines and academic practice. All-China Women's Federation is listed as an essential source for China studies by The Cambridge History of China, see here. And you're clearly confused about the purpose of the Refimprove tag. Per Template:Refimprove: "Don't use this tag for articles that contain no unreferenced material, even if all the material is supported by a single citation." More sources would certainly be great (please feel free to add what you can find), but not required. -Zanhe (talk) 05:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
Essential in no way means reliable or independent... Much of the scholarship on the All-China Women's Federation addresses just this point. Your insistence that academics take Chinese sources of this nature at face value is confounding, they do nothing of the sort. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 06:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
The information cited to Women's Federation sources is mainly uncontroversial stuff regarding her family, education, career, and awards, which are all corroborated with Phoenix News sources. The only opinion used is her being praised as "equal to several brigade commanders combined", which is clearly attributed. Your insistence that all Chinese government-affiliated sources are unreliable is confounding, and definitely does not conform with longstanding Wikipedia guidelines and practices. -Zanhe (talk) 06:28, 2 December 2019 (UTC)Reply
I'm not challenging any of the current cites, I think all are entirely appropriate. I’m just noting that in general, per WP:BLP, a page about a living person needs to have coverage in three WP:RS and we don’t currently have that. If I didn't want to work with other editors to improve the page I would have nominated it for deletion instead of tagging it for improvement. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 07:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC)Reply