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Latest comment: 1 year ago4 comments4 people in discussion
Why do we need to get rid of the page, why can't we just let it stay up? There's a bunch of other pre-release pages for albums, so whyy do we have a problem with this one? Sorbet Kid (talk) 16:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
I agree. [redacted] It's anticipated so let it stay Dinah5667 (talk) 22:49, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Dinah5667: Please remember this is not a forum and personal attacks, such as the one above, are not allowed. I will proceed to remove part of it. Bedivere (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 11 months ago11 comments3 people in discussion
The following table was removed from the article by User:Knowledgekid87 based on the assertion that it was "not needed". While I am not convinced that there is such a test for inclusion of content in Wikipedia, I would note that readers process information in various ways, and some will find a table to be a more useful organization of information. I propose that the table be restored to the article. Please note that I have added the newly announced London date in July. BD2412T 19:08, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I just don't see how a handful of vague dates and locations is helpful here. I did find WP:NOTADVERT, which states "Wikipedia articles about a person, company, or organization are not an extension of their website, press releases, or other social media marketing efforts. External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they identify notable organizations which are the topic of the article." I think readers can just as easily access the information via the external links provided. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Knowledgekid87: If WP:NOTADVERT prohibited what you describe as "a handful of vague dates and locations", then I'm sure Wikipedia would not have literally thousands of articles containing exactly such tables. We would not have, just for this year for example, exactly the same kind of presentation at:
Should all of those be deleted? BD2412T 19:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Koavf and 03md: As you have added comparable tables of tour dates to Continue as a Guest and What's Rock and Roll?, respectively, your perspective on the permissibility of including such a table may be useful here. Cheers! BD2412T 00:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
These shouldn't be deleted, as they are relevant, sourced (assuming they are sourced) information about how an album is promoted or what happens on a tour. It's extra puzzling to think that we're going to have an article about a tour and not mention where and when the artist was on the tour. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:59, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
@BD2412: I knew this would go into whataboutism, but my opinion stands. It would apply as "Wikipedia articles about a person, company, or organization are not an extension of their website, press releases, or other social media marketing efforts." You haven't stated how this wouldn't apply? The sources used are press releases announcing tour dates, it is a marketing effort to get people to go to the artist's shows. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Tour dates aren't extensions of websites, press releases, or other social media marketing efforts. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Which source in this article do you think is a "press release"? Sources with editorial policies appear to have seen fit to publish all of this. Also, you are confusing internal consistency across the encyclopedia for whataboutism. WP:Some stuff exists for a reason. BD2412T 21:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I want to add that I feel this would only apply to artists who have upcoming tours. I have no issue with past tour information as that is covered by WP:RS in retrospect. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
In this case, 75% of the tour dates are "past tour information as that is covered by WP:RS in retrospect". So what do we do, just cover the past dates and pretend the planned future dates have not also been reported in RS? Not cover any of the dates until all have been completed, despite the existence of reviews and the like? You said on my talk page that "the information is already covered in prose"—why, then, is it permissible to include a textual description of the information, but not the standard table? BD2412T 21:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
If there is nothing new to say in this discussion, I will restore the table forthwith in 24 hours. BD2412T 18:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
