Talk:Leeds/Archives/2009/December

ActivLeeds

Hi i have added my website link which is www.activleeds.com and i am not spamming wikipedia so will you be able to let me add the link onto the page please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.106.86 (talk) 21:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

External links need to conform to our external links policy wikipedia is not just a collection of links. There appears to be a lot of links of the form www.activ<place>.com being added to various articles most of them are just lots of adverts and little relevant content. Keith D (talk) 21:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The external link i have added are not for advertising. ActivLeeds website and all the Activ websites gives local information to everyone such as What the city is about and what people can visit and do and help them know about the City.

External links continue to need to conform to the external links policy. Information about the City should be included in the article; the external link adds nothing. Kbthompson (talk) 10:19, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

"Gip bags at the ready"

Public transport, rail and road communications networks in the region are focussed on Leeds and the number of twinning arrangements with towns in other countries and its role in Leeds City Region demonstrate the city's outward looking and positive attitude to twenty first century global commercial and economic development.

The last sentance needs rewriting and we could do with citing the statement. Worth a look at. Mtaylor848 (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

No, this is in the lead, and information here doesn't need to be cited as it's given elsewhere in the article with references. PamD (talk) 18:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

demonstrate the city's outward looking and positive attitude to twenty first century global commercial and economic development It's that phrase which I think is hardly neutral or verifiable. Mtaylor848 (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The problem is discussed under WP:PEACOCK. Hans Adler 19:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

When I wrote the apparently offending phrase it was not meant to be WP:PEACOCK. I was attempting to summarise some aspects of the Economy, Transport and International relations sections. Perhaps the word "demonstrates" is the sticking point? The phrase "twenty first century global commercial and economic development" is hackneyed, I agree, but is there anything particularly nauseating (as suggested in the rather rude "Gip bags at the ready" title of this section) about having "an outward looking and positive attitude". If it is true, then it is neutral, and the evidence of its truth is in the cited information elsewhere in the article. Would positive contribution be more acceptable?--Harkey (talk) 12:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I had no idea what "gip bag" means, now I have looked up the first constituent and learned a new word. I consider it inappropriate in this context.

The problem with this sentence is that it sounds as if we were trying to make people buy Leeds. What does it mean for a city to have an "outward looking and positive attitude [...]"? That would be quite vague and hard to verify even if it didn't continue "to twenty first century global commercial and economic development".

It's appropriate for a leaflet published by the city council, but not for an encyclopedia. It sounds great and evokes many positive associations, but once you look at it more closely you realise that it doesn't contain any hard information beyond Leeds having some of the typical attributes of a city. Hans Adler 13:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

OK. I agree. The wording could apply to any of the cities at the centre of City Regions, and giving it attitude does rather tend to personify it! (A city with attitude!! Hm. I might have hit upon the next publicity slogan.) Would anyone like to reword the sentence to be more neutral, please? I have absolutely no axe to grind.:-) --Harkey (talk) 13:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I would have done it after the first post if I had the slightest idea how to go about it. Apart from not being encyclopedic your sentence fits perfectly. Hans Adler 13:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

what about some sentences that point to some unique or interesting things about Leeds, that are different to any other regional city. At the end of the day most cities are pretty similar in the UK, and such words could apply to any city, and so become meaningless and not useful imo. Leeds Univerity was the most applied for uni in the country this academic year. --Razorlax (talk) 00:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I have attempted to reword the contentious sentence.:-)--Harkey (talk) 16:44, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Peer review

What do editors think about adopting the suggestion in the peer review to axe the Notable people section? I am willing to revert my action of introducing notes instead of Harvard references as this seems to be frowned upon. Have editors any more comments to add to the Todo box, please?--Harkey (talk) 17:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think the notable people should go and a link to the list should be enough. IMO for bigger cities it's generally better not to have such a section. For Leeds doubly so because for a city of its size one would expect a few more really great people. Hans Adler 19:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I think cutting text is the most difficult part of editing and it's good to get an endorsement for planned edits.--Harkey (talk) 22:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see all the material on Mayors and Freemen disappear - I might create new articles on them, as I think the information is encyclopedic and useful. Did the peer review really mean to suggest that material should go, I wonder, or just the lists of individual "notable people"? PamD (talk) 22:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Fuchs' comment sounds as if everything should go. I think such information should go into History of Leeds if it isn't already there. On first sight only the 1897 "Lord Mayor" privilege strikes me as potentially significant enough for this article, but I may well have missed something. Hans Adler 02:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I thought the information on Mayors and Freemen was interesting too. Does anyone know how to merge the article as suggested in the Education section, please. I've done some more surgical cuts (butchery?) to the text. The good thing about Wikipedia is that all is not lost if I've been too drastic! --Harkey (talk) 15:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

• Notable people: a See Also link to the list/category/whatever, and another to the page(s) that PamD is to create or to a subsection of History of Leeds?
• Higher Education: there's hardly anything in Higher Education in Leeds that isn't in this article. I suggest moving anything useful over to here and putting HEiL up for deletion.
• --GuillaumeTell 16:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Branding

The 'City Coat of arms' on here is actually the former City Council Logo (as it has the text under) can we please get a version that has no text? It would also be nice to have the New City Council logo somewhere on the page as well as the Leeds Live it Love it logo which is free to use subject to conditions and would look good on the page.

I also feel that we should have something about the Leeds Initiative and the Leeds vision. It would also be nice to have a graphic for the makeup of the City Council. I finally think that we need a better picture, while I love Leeds Town Hall, I can think of other pictures that better represent the city.

Thanks and sorry if I have not posted this properly, Its the first time I have ever done this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.240.21 (talk) 01:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

The make up of the council would probably be better on the City of Leeds article rather than this one. Keith D (talk) 12:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Sea Level Request

I live in Leeds and am concerned that my 12th story flat may not survive the forthcoming 70m sea level rise. Please could someone add the hight above sea level to this article.

Thanks very much.

Yours, Al Greenlees —Preceding unsigned comment added by Etoile (talk • contribs) 22:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

It's already there - see highest and lowest elevation in infobox. MFlet1 (talk) 12:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)