Talk:Lee Young-pyo

Spelling

I don't know which is the correct spelling of the South Korean footballer's name, but there seems to be a few pages pointing towards Lee Yong-Pyo and there was a (very small and still stubby) page there, so I thought I would create this one and redirect it there, so that pages that linked to this spelling would find their way to the right page. If someone knows definitively that this is the correct spelling (with the 'u') then feel free to say so and 'swap' the two pages. Cursive 02:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Christian Beliefs

Try as I might, I cannot find any source for the statement "he is often sighted trying to introduce Christianity to his fellow South Korean teammates". Anyone have a link?

I've been searching pertinent articles on Korean web but I couldn't find. It's clear that he is a strong Christian and he has been seen praying after football match with his mates but there is no pertinent like about the statement above. --60.48.33.188 05:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a link on the bottom of the page, I think it's the 1st one. It said that there were 6 Christians on the SKNT at the 02 WC. Now there are 12 at the 06 WC. I don't know if he had anything to do with that, but my guess is yes. 69.121.147.208 15:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Why was this article moved?

It was moved to Lee Young-pyo, but no reliable English source spells his name that way. Even the lede spells it correctly as Lee Young-Pyo. So now, why was the article moved? Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:21, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Two RSes use the lower-case spelling: [1] and [2] while the following use both upper case. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. Common name appears to be Lee Young-Pyo or Young-Pyo Lee. During matches he was always called "YP Lee" and that was the name on his uniform. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

We recently reached a consensus Talk:An Ji-man#Requested move and WP:NC-KO. There are evidences of the second syllable being non-capitalized in Enlish-language media included this from 2010. Sawol (talk) 02:14, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

But there's more evidence for this subject that the second is capitalized, mostly that his former club listed him as Y.P. Lee. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Korean, Lee Young-pyo don't have his own naming orthography. In Korea, When he played south Korean naitonal football team or FC Seoul, His name was listed as Lee Young-Pyo, Lee Young-pyo, Lee Youngpyo and so on. Very very few Korean have his own naming orthography like a proper noun. If reached a new consensus about Korean naming orthography on wikipedia, There is no reason that Lee young-pyo naming allows exceptions. If the consensus was Lee Young-Pyo, follow it, consensus was Lee Young-pyo, also follow it, consensus was Lee Youngpyo, also follow it. Footwiks (talk) 05:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

That's great. The problem is that the links above are what I'm using to make my case. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Currently, Korean naming consensus is Lee Young-pyo, So I want to move to Lee Young-Pyo => Lee Young-pyo in order not to break korena naming unity on wikipdeia.Footwiks (talk) 06:04, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Currently, the sources go against your consensus that was created without relation to this article so I will oppose any move of this article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

And no offence, I understood your argument the last two times but you seem to be ignoring the evidence that I have provided. If you would like, we could revisit the recently created consensus with the evidence I provided here. I'm sure I could find additional support for other player names. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't care Lee Young-pyo or Lee Young-Pyo or Lee Youngpyo. All naming orthography is possible, But If wikipedia users made a consensus about South Korean naming, I hope that all Koreans article are listed under consensus.Footwiks (talk) 06:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you understand my arguments? Please explain them. I am tired of you only arguing consensus especially when it didn't involved this subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@User:Walter Görlitz, and User:Footwiks. Don't move. Let's try to resolve the disagreement through discussion. Sawol (talk) 04:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm trying to discuss but two things are happening instead.

1. People are moving the article without discussion, and
2. No one is providing any evidence as I did above to support Lee Young-Pyo. It should stay here until discussion and evidence is provided. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:30, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved. If this discussion has proved anything (aside from the majority being in favour of the move), it's that there is no established English spelling. As such, the arguments that we should follow Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean), which states "If there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized", become compelling enough to gain the consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 11:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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Lee Young-Pyo → Lee Young-pyo – We recently reached a consensus Talk:An Ji-man#Requested move. By Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean), two syllables of Korean given names have to be hyphenated, and only the first syllable has to be capitalized. There are evidences of the second syllable being non-capitalized in English-language media:

• sportsmole.co.uk, 20 May 2014, Sports Mole
• koreatimes.co.kr, 14 May 2014, The Korea Times
• indosiar.com, 8 May 2014, Indosiar

It is important to ensure consistency. I want ′Lee Young-pyo′ like Category:South Korean footballers or FIFA World Cup players in Template:South Korea squad 2014 FIFA World Cup. --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC) Sawol (talk) 11:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Consistency is not the guiding factor here, reliable sources is. As shown in the previous discussion, the majority of English sources show Young-Pyo Lee, but I'll provide those sources again here.

• [11], April 2007 (year and month of publication are written by Sawol (talk))
• [12], August 2008
• [13], December 2011
• [14], October 2012
• [15], October 2013
• [16] (this one alone should be enough to silence the "consistency" crowd)
• [17], February 2012
• [18].

Common name appears to be Lee Young-Pyo or Young-Pyo Lee. During matches he was always called "YP Lee" and that was the name on his uniform. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:22, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Many English sources show ′Young-Pyo Lee′, but why is this article title ′Lee Young-Pyo′? We can modify an article title through consensus based on reliable sources and consistency. His uniform in his twitter shows ′Youngpyo′ with no hyphen. ′Y. P. Lee′ also shows ′Lee Young-pyo′. Sawol (talk) 17:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Your examples are poor. The uniform is all in upper case. The Twitter account is all in lower case as are all Twitter accounts as is not an official account. In English, family name is second while in Korean, it's first, so we already honour the Korean naming convention. This is not happening because the majority of sources show both capitalized. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, we already honor the Korean naming convention. By Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters, we avoids unnecessary capitalization. We would transform ′YOUNGPYO′or ′youngpyo′ to ′Youngpyo′. ′Lee Young-pyo′ is the same. I wish you would have broad-mindedness for Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters. Sawol (talk) 18:52, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

And this is the problem. You assume the capitalization is unnecessary whereas I prove it's the common name in English. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Strong support

As I explained before, There isn't only standard English name orthography in Korea Many English name orthographies are used as belows, Even KFA and K League English name orthography is not unified and these orthography are flexible. So, KFA can change name orthography to Lee, Young Pyo anytime.

For example,

1. His English name on passport - LEE YOUNG PYO

2. His name on KFA player site - LEE Youngpyo

3. His English name on FC Seoul website when he played in K League - Lee, Young Pyo

In conclusion, We do not need to be fixated on Lee Young-Pyo orthography and If the Korean naming consensus reached, English name unification of all Korean football players is ok.

Personlay, I prefer Lee Youngpyo orthography but I also comply with the English Wikipedia Korean name consensus. Footwiks (talk) 14:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 16:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Strong support: The entire argument against the move is, frankly, quite silly. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) is already very clear on this; sources that say otherwise shouldn't matter. Timmyshin (talk) 02:51, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Comment I think that Naming conventions (Korean) takes a back seat to reliable sources and common name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support per past consensus and standard naming conventions. GiantSnowman 14:55, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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photo with fan

is it appropriate that a picture with a fan wearing an Arsenal kit is included in the section about his time at Tottenham? should there be a random fan photo at all? i suggest removing the photo. SollyWIKI (talk) 12:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

It's a terrible photo, but why is it a problem that the other person pictured is wearing the a different team's kit? Does not that speak to his appeal as a person and not just for fans? Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)