Talk:Laurence Patrick Lee
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Cured stammer
editNot sure it's worth putting in this article, but I found this newspaper clipping discussing (I assume the same) L. P. Lee's stammer, in the Greymouth Evening Star, 11 Dec 1950, https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GEST19501211.2.59
- N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British “Expert”
[N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT]
LONDON, December 10 (Rec. 9 a.m.).—When Mr L. P. Lee, of 195 The Terrace, Wellington, read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year’s leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. Recorded Proof
Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering. Lee stayed with Mr Kerr for a fortnight and when he returned to London his brother Mr M. G. Lee, who is teaching at a college and who had been most sceptical was “astounded” at the change. Mr L. P. Lee told the Press Association: “I am thoroughly happy about the cure. I know that whenever I want to I can speak normally and I could even make a public speech now.” Only a slight occasional stammer is noticeable -in his speech and he counted rapidly up to 20. Discovery Made
Mr Kerr said: “When I was a student at Glasgow University 16 years ago I had. to write a thesis on philosophy. In doing so I came across a psychological discovery. From this I discovered the cause and then the cure of stammering.” “Its taken me a long time and I’ve had to contend with a good deal of scepticism and' opposition. But I’ve had 90 per cent success with 50 cases. I’m not a doctor but I believe I have a mission and I am making this my life’s work. I charge a fee which I shall reduce as I get more patients,” stated Mr Kerr.
–jacobolus (t) 22:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Borderline. I wouldn’t oppose. Strebe (talk) 20:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think I'll just leave it here on this talk page. –jacobolus (t) 22:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Now that’s just makes me way to advocate for it. 😄 As a biographical fact of consequence, it seems good to briefly note it and that he apparently overcame the impediment. Citing the article, of course. Strebe (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, feel free to throw it in somewhere. :-) –jacobolus (t) 02:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Strebe Okay, I added a paragraph about this, and put up a WP:DYK nomination using it as a "hook". –jacobolus (t) 00:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I like it. Thanks! Strebe (talk) 22:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Aside: after 1955 Kerr's clinic was hosted in this funny boat-shaped building in Jersey called "Barge Aground", which can nowadays be rented by tourists. There are a couple of pictures of Kerr here. –jacobolus (t) 01:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I like it. Thanks! Strebe (talk) 22:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Now that’s just makes me way to advocate for it. 😄 As a biographical fact of consequence, it seems good to briefly note it and that he apparently overcame the impediment. Citing the article, of course. Strebe (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think I'll just leave it here on this talk page. –jacobolus (t) 22:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
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- ... that New Zealand mathematician Laurence Patrick Lee worked his way to England to find a cure for his stammer and was speaking normally after just 18 minutes of instruction?
- Source: "N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British 'Expert' ", Greymouth Evening Star, 11 Dec 1950, [N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT], "When Mr L. P. Lee [...] read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year's leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. ¶ Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. ¶ Recorded Proof ¶ Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Alternate hooks could talk about his map projections (and could include map pictures, if a picture is needed), but this story seemed like a better human interest hook.
Created by Jacobolus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
–jacobolus (t) 00:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC).
Length, history and reference verified. Earwig looks OK even though I couldn't use Google because it said we had sent too many queries to it.
However ... the end of one graf was uncited, and so I have tagged it. It should be easy to fix. Daniel Case (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I added some examples of other high impact books/papers which have cited and discussed Lee's paper (the claim in the article was that it was influential). –jacobolus (t) 19:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel Case, have the issues been addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. All but one of those sources are paywalled from where I am, but since the one that isn't describes the cited paper as "well-known", we'll take your word for it. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I could go either way on this, but anyone else a little uncomfortable with sourcing a medical story claim to a 1950 newspaper? It's not a MEDRS claim, but it's not an uncontroversial one, either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. All but one of those sources are paywalled from where I am, but since the one that isn't describes the cited paper as "well-known", we'll take your word for it. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel Case, have the issues been addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)