Talk:Latin America/Archive 5

Ethnic groups

The ethnic groups section was becoming too long, so I decided to split the content and create a new article: Ethnic groups in Latin America. This will allow more tables to be added, using different sources. This is a work in progress. Pristino (talk) 02:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Seems like a good job!!! But I think we should lose the CIA table KarniFro^{( Talk to me)} 06:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Moai pictures

I removed the Moais. Easter Island is in Polynesia, clearly not a part of the American contintent. It wouldn't make any sense to have a picture of them in the Latin America article, just like it would't make sense to have a picture of Guam in the North America article or a picture of French Guyana in the article about Europe. Discuss.

I'd like to see a signature after the initial message. I agree with the motion, but I think this could have been discussed before removing the pictures.150.203.220.151 (talk) 07:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Added new subsection: "The Return of Social Movements"

During the Spring semester of 2011, students at Vassar College added a new subsection called "The Return of Social Movements" under the 'History' section of this article. Cristian Opazo (talk) 20:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Why is there so many info in this article?

Err, Latin america means countries colonized from Latin european countries and that speak latin based languages, it's the same thing as Anglo-America, countries that were colonized by england and that speak english, 70% of this artile has info that isn't nessesary, it's not like Latin america is a huge union organization of countries like the Commonwealth of nations for example, it's just term applied to countries colonized by latin europe, this article makes Latin America look like as if it was a union of countries or something, i went to anglo america article and all it has was a list of countries colonized by england, that speak english and some ethnic groups, the Latin America article info should be the same as the anglo america article, LATIN AMERICA IS NOT A UNION OF COUNTRIES, IT'S JUST A TERM APPLIED TO LATIN COLONIZED COUNTIRES.. if people want to know inffo about the countries of latin america all they have to do is just click the name of the countries that they want to see. Latin america is NOT a political map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.4.149.16 (talk) 23:21, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Mexico and indigenous languages

If it is true that 9% of Mexicans speak an indigenous language that means there are likely more indigenous language speakers in Mexico than in any other Latin American country and I was trying to express this sentiment in my edit which got reverted. I have reverted back because what was there did not express this at all, and therefore gave an inaccurate picture of the reality. And these languages are widely spoken in parts of Mexico whose population is greater than that of entire countries, so please can we find a solution to this. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 13:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

A language that around 9% of the population speak, cannot be characterized as "widely spoken". The same goes for the rough numbers. If only less than 10 millions out of a population of 113 millions speak it, that's hardly "widely spoken". Widely spoken can also be considered "weasel wording". AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 19:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like we should rewrite the paragraph then to avoid this word altogether. What I actually said is it is widely spoken in a part of Mexico, not Mexico as a whole. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 17:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Picture of Belize?

I think you would need to demonstrate that schoolchildren in a pic speak Spanish, the unstated in the caption comment that many Guatemalans live in Belize wont help our baffled readers when they see a pic from an English speaking country in this article. IMO its a bit insulting too, really (to latinos). Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 13:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Why is Haiti considered to be a Latin American country and Canada isn't?

I know the division between Latin America and the so-called Anglo America is also political and not just, lets say cultural, but the Canadian province of Quebec is francophone and french is the only official language of the province itself. French is also co-official in Canada as a whole along with English, same as Haiti where French and Haitian Creole are both official languages. So my question is simple, what qualifies Haiti as a Latin American nation that eliminates Canada from being one???

This specific question seems to be covered in the "Etymology and definitions" section. Kuru (talk) 20:41, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

This is simply because only a part of Canada is french-speaking. As a whole, Canada is more a Anglo nation (80% of the population is Anglo), a former British colony, still part of the commonwealth (the quebecers have the portrait of queen Elisabeth on their coins!). French language has been recognised only quite recently in some areas of Canada only. While English will be understood in almost all parts of the country. The English colonisation has been enough important to left huge Anglo-saxon culture in all of Canada, Québec included: Montreal architecture and way of life still is more English than French (lot of victorian, georgian architectures); the city itself has a typically Anglo-saxon model more than a latin one.

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Cold War

May I request that the section on "Cold War 1946-1990" be completely rewritten. It is like reading a really bad and biased history book, lacking citations, verifications, and presenting a shabby anti-american bias rather than facts. 93.74.79.116 (talk) 07:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Annoying People

Someone has written 'sex sex sex sex sex sex' on this page. I'd take it down but i cant find it in the edit page section. Please could someone take it down? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.114.150 (talk) 16:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed!--2.96.114.150 (talk) 16:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Trade Blocs

RE: "This bloc nominally opposes any Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with the United States, although Uruguay has manifested its intention otherwise. Chile has already signed an FTA with Canada, and along with Peru, Colombia and Mexico are the only four Latin American nations that have an FTA with the United States, the latter being a member of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)."

• First, what does "this bloc" refer to? There were three blocs mentioned in the previous sentence.
• Second, the US has bilateral or multilateral FTA's with the following Latin American countries: Mexico, Chile, Colombia, Peru, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua. Maybe this was written a while ago... but it should be updated. The fact that a major part of Colombia's foreign policy was based on getting the FTA approved seems to argue against the bloc's supposed nominal opposition.
• Let's not confuse the Southern Cone's opposition to FTA's with the US as being representative of an opposition from all of Latin America.--Lacarids (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Au Québec, pourquoi pas ?

I was thinking why not show Quebec and New Brunswick as part of Latin America on the map used at the beginning of the article; since well they do have French speaking populations as some people are aware or at least Quebec since it does has a Latin culture and by itself is part of La Francophonie, however the Anglo America article does highlighted (edit: I should really say un-highlighted it, the area of Québec is actually lighter in color than the rest of Anglo-America) in the map so why not also highlighted in this map. Also I don't know how to do that on the photograph. -- sion8 2:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Because Quebec is not considered to be part of Latin America. Things have to be verifiable WP:VERIFY.--Lairor (talk) 06:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Well ok I guess, but how could anyone have proof of it not been part of a shared Latin culture, it has the French language (at least 80% of its people say French is their mother language) this alone makes it part of the Latin world, it has many traditions from France just like Haiti, and Louisiana, while Haiti is considered part of Latin America the people of Haiti (or at least most) speak a French-creole technically no a Latin language but they do have other thing that make them “Latin” which also in mind and other people’s minds make Québec also part of Latin America and that thing is their culture. However I guess I have to get actual proof. -- sion8 4:40, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

The main objection is, I guess, of political nature. Unlike Haiti, Québec is not a sovereign state, but rather a constituent part of Canada, where the majority language is English. Since English is a Germanic language and Canada's main language, Québec, as a part of Canada, cannot be considered part of Latin America , even if 80 % of the people there speak French. 161.24.19.112 (talk) 19:32, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

See etymological fallacy. And you are approaching things the wrong way round. You seem to imagine that the term came up as follows:

• One day in the year ..., A. Lexicographer, while looking for new words starting with L, thought of a nice new one: "Latin America". A nice one. Now he just needed a meaning for it. How about: All those areas of America where Latin is the primary language. But wait: There is no such area. So he broadened it to all languages derived from Latin, i.e. all Romance languages.

But what really happened is that people had the following problem:

• The Americas are largely dominated by the US. There is also Canada, but that's as insignificant as it is big, so we'll just ignore it. It's also quite similar to the US; mostly. The rest has pretty similar culture everywhere, after all they were all colonised from Iberia. What should we call it? Rest-America? No. Iberian America? No. Wait, let's base it on language: Romance America? No, this has weird associations with novels. Latin America! That's it! Spanish and Portuguese are based on Latin and still quite similar to it. French is a bit further removed, so this even gives a hint that we don't actually want to include Quebec, which is somewhere totally else and is culturally more oriented towards France than to the, ahem, Latin American countries.

Hans Adler 22:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't the United States be technically part of "Latin" America as well? Think of the regions that were once part of Franco- and Spanish conquests before the growing 13 colonies bought them. Because the United States has no official language and because the British colonized roughly 1/5 of the current US mainland, strictly speaking the majority of the United States is "Latin". 108.182.22.10 (talk) 00:20, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Canada need to be added to the Article "Lantin America", because Canada Oficial languages are French and English. The main problem you will find, is that some want to discriminate the most of south of USA as Lantin America, but thats is just wrong even if is widely given for garanted. for example the Republic of Paraguay, same as Canada does, have two official languages, Guarani and Spanish, so in theory is the same as Canada in that mather. but if you goo deep at this point, unlike Canada, at Paraguay the Guarani language is nationwide spoken, the name of the nation is on guaranim language, Paraguay it means "riverine of many varieties" on guarani language, and most paraguayan are not from european heritage , but are from Native-America heritage, so if canada isnt part of latin america, paraguay should not be part with the same reasoning. So why is paraguay part of Latin America if it has less reasons than Canada to be part of it?, why Canada is not listed at this article is because of Stereotype and things given for granted, as you know Quebec for example the only official language is french (not english) i think is easy (but still wrong) for some to call just the south of USA Latin America as a generic, even if some of the territory at the south of USA isnt Lantin America. will be dificult to make this change at wikipedia, even if is right to do it, but the problem will be that lots have already the "Stereotype" of what area or part of the America continent "SHOULD" be called Latin America (we do have same problem with "The Americas" and "America", "America" is a continent, even if the same word is used as a nickname for "United States of America" you can split that into regions or areas acording to geography, history, size, politics, etc,... but still is a single continent, this is another hard topic, i wanted to show here as example to explain the reluctance lots of people may have with the change of something like "Canada" case the other thing, some show up, that areas of USA can be described as "Latin America" because USA does not have a official language English is de facto the language, but there is not a nationwide "official" language, and some states also have spanish as official. but this is diferent, because USA dont have a official language. canada does have official languages, and those are French and English, and at some areas french is the only official language too. i will give another example, no mather how much people thinks 2+2=3, even if there is no one thinks 2+2=4, will be still true, and 2+2=3 will still be false You can research and verify all i wrote here, so Canada to be part of Latin-America IS verifiable WP:VERIFY The topic you can raise to resist this may be what the words Latin America means, look at Romance languages world map for Romance language ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romance_Languages-World-Map.png ), look at America Continent part, and that orange areas, should be called Latin America, based on all that is exposed here and there. WiZaRd SaiLoR (talk) 03:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Well I love were my topic went to; the discussion it caused is a pretty good topic to be discussed by academics in my opinion as the demographics of the USA are changing to a more Hispanic people in the long term according to some, yet does this make it part of the so called “Latin world” or not, but of the areas that were formerly part of European colonizers that now form part of this nation their cultures are that of U.S. Americans not of the European colonizers that had a Latin culture. However like I said earlier Québec should be "un-highlighted" like it is in the Anglo-America article if possible. -- sion8 8:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Art

This section requires cleanup, expansion and references. I have removed the sentence "The Constructivist Movement was founded in Russia around 1913 by Vladimir Tatlin" because it is neither true nor relevant. Gabsvillalobos (talk) 22:16, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Dubious crime stats

The claim that violence is the main cause of death in some Latino countries makes no sense. If Honduras has 82 homicides per hundred thousand and this is higher than any of the countries mentioned in 2004 it meabns less than one violent death per thousand people, and yet no country can have less than one death per hundred people by natural causes given humans rarely reach 100. The refs are pretty flaky as they are 2 press reports of some unknown report which we cannot access cos we dont know what it is. Given the stats are nine yrs old and improbable I suggets removing the whole piece. Any objection?. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 00:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. I've removed that sentence.Goodsdrew (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Languages

The fact about languages complete overlooks the languages spoken by native peoples. The number one spoken language in mexico is still Nahuatl and in many places Mixteco. Though various dialects exist, they outnumber the number of Mexicans who speak spanish. They are often overlooked because native peoples are pushed to the margins of society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.206.197 (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Your justification is dubious. According to Wikipedia, there are 1.45 million native speakers of Nahuatl and 550,00 speakers of the Mixtec language. The total population of Mexico is 117,409,830 (and only 5.4% of them speak an indigenous language). You might want to re-check your math.Goodsdrew (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

We cover indigenous languages in Mexico quite fairly, anyone who knows the country knows that Spanish is far and away the dominant language, even in areas where indigenous languages are spoken. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 21:49, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

European Population 2

In the section "Absolute numbers", Absolute numbers means: How many people exactly? and calculating the percentage of the White population of Brazil, Mexico, Uruguay and Venezuela, the results are:

Brazil Population: 190,010,647 Percentage of White Population: 53.7% Total White Population: 102,035,717,439

Mexico Population: 108,700,891 Percentage of White Population: 15.5% Total White Population: 16,848,638,105

Venezuela Population: 26,023,528 Percentage of White Population: 21.0% Total White Population: 5,464,940,88

Uruguay Population: 3,460,607 Percentage of White Population: 94.5% Total White Population: 3,270,273,615

So, in the caucasians section reffering to absolute numbers (not to the percentage), the right order is the following; Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Venezuela —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoe0 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 7 October, 2008 (UTC)

also they where  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.114.239 (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2013 (UTC) 

Population, area, GDP inconsistent

I noticed that some of the information was inconsistent throughout the article, with different sources (some with estimates from 2011 and some from 2013). I think the article should be consistent and I think the World Bank Data Catalog here is a good source for this. I edited the article to include some of the 2013 estimates by the WB but I'm sure I made a mistake somewhere and I think some of it needs to point to the right ref, could anyone else help me with this? Thanks --– sampi ^{(talk•contrib•email)} 03:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

French speaking territories

Haiti is considered part of Latin America as a French speaking country, but what about Martinique, Guadeloupe and French Guyana? In the page about Anglo-America the British overseas territories are also included. --83.53.62.83 (talk) 22:13, 11 October 2013 (UTC) QUEBECQuebec also should be included in Latin America.--88.1.244.26 (talk) 21:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

How about also including the Province of Quebec, because its populations mostly are French-speakers? (In the Anglo-America article the area that Quebec covers is shaded different than any other of that map way not do something similar to the map of Latin America here) -- Sion8 (talk) 00:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

When I was growing up in the 1970s, my understanding was that the US State Department formally defined Latin America that part of the New World in which a latin-based language was spoken. This was at the height of Quebec Separatist sentiment, so speculation was that an independent Quebec would be identified as a "Latin American" country by the United States. can anyone here verify this formal use of the term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.21.241.231 (talk) 14:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox map is incorrect

... Its Europe guys ...

--Goldman60 Talk 08:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Imagens

Deixem aí as imgens do Brasil.Thiago 15:33, 3 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thiago200002 (talk • contribs)

Latin European racially based Casta system? What?

I read that in the "Inequality" section. It says the inequality is due to a historical casta system. The sentence is followed by a ton of citations, so it is likely that the author knew it was controversial. Anyway, that's absolute nonsense. Sure, there was slavery in latin america, and blacks always had less opportunities and all, but that's not a casta system! Incendiary Iconoclasm 07:15, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Everyone is encouraged to copyedit articles, add content and remove content if they have knowledge about the topic at hand or are willing to do the necessary research to improve the article. If you're not sure ...best to leave as is. Below are some books on the topic. -- Moxy (talk) 07:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• Juan Flores; Renato Rosaldo (2009). A Companion to Latina/o Studies. John Wiley & Sons. p. 341. ISBN 978-0-470-76602-6.
• Edward Telles; Project on Ethnicity and Race in Latin America (2014). Pigmentocracies: Ethnicity, Race, and Color in Latin America. UNC Press Books. p. 16. ISBN 978-1-4696-1783-1.

population

I updated population numbers to match the numbers listed in the 2015 World Population Prospects. Since other articles for individual countries may report population from different sources, these numbers may be inconsistent with other articles. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 01:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Latin Amerian Economies

I will edit the article on "Latin America". The section on the economies of Latin America is very short and doesn't talk about the political, fiscal, and monetary factors that influence Latin American economies. This article only talks about the economy during the cold war. I would like to add a whole subsection titled "Economy" and then include subsections for every country, since every country is subject to different macro environments.

What is currently there

Currently, there is a short paragraph stating what Goldman Sach's forecasts for the economy are along with numerical data for population and GDP. There is also a paragraph about how the economy has developed and what the standard of living is.

What I want to do

The information currently on the article is good, but I want to add and expand on it. I want to go into the specifics for the region's major economies (Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Peru, Argentina) and include forecasts for where the economies are headed. I would make sure to include strong sources such as reports from banks, reports from government organizations, and quotes from experts in the field. I also want to study economic indicators such as GDP, unemployment, and inflation over a period of time and understand what macro factors are responsible for changes in these indicators.

Bibliography

- Breard, Pablo, Mario Correa, Guillermo Arbe, and Benjamin Sierra. "Latin America Capital Flows." ScotiaBank's Global Outlook.

- Faruqee, Hamid. Regional Economic Outlook Western Hemisphere . Place of publication not identified: Intl Monetary Fund, 2016.

- Tellez, Juana . "Colombia Economic Outlook." BBVA Research, June 1, 2016.

- "Mexico Economic Overview." The World Bank. September 16, 2016. Accessed February 6, 2017. http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/mexico/overview.

- "Chile Economic Forecast ." Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. November 1, 2016. http://www.oecd.org/economy/chile-economic-forecast-summary.htm.

- “Brazil Economic Overview." Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. November 1, 2016. http://www.oecd.org/eco/outlook/brazil-economic-forecast-summary.htm.

- Breard, Pablo. "Peru Executive Briefing." ScotiaBank's Global Outlook, November 1, 2016.

- Parodi, Edda. "Latin America and Caribbean Overview ." World Bank. October 14, 2016. Accessed February 6, 2017. http://www.worldbank.org/en/region/lac/overview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danicroi (talk • contribs) 17:13, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Slavery and Forced Labor in colonial Latin America

This section should have a brief summary of the attached links to give the reader a bit more background as to what the hyperlinks refer to. Currently, the sentence in the section refers to the plantation and mine work but does not allude to the missionary enslavement that indigenous people experienced. Eocamp01 (talk) 21:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Connection To Latin American Cuisine

I was wondering why in this article, the culture section is missing food, when for other countries it is not that way? I noticed that there is an independent Latin American Cuisine page, and was wondering if there is anyway to connect this to the Latin American page in that culture section? Potentially it might be wise to include a summary of that page in order to have equal sections of art, music, dance, etc. Aramos04 (talk) 01:14, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

that's a tasteful idea. go ahead and add a summary of Latin American Cuisine. Rjensen (talk) 01:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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I see several mistakes there! You LITERALLY just added information instead of fixing or updating informations that you already have! There's a list of things you gotta change before updating it:

-Cities are measured by the number of people in it, not by metros! So São Paulo is the largest city in Latin America, not Mexico City, which takes the 2nd place.

-The population of Brazil is no longer 204M, is already 210M.

-Mexico IS NOT a member of BRICS: B - Brazil R - Russia I - India C - China S - South Africa! That's it... No M for Mexico there.

- Mexico City doesn't have a higher GDP per capita than São Paulo.

- The 2 most spoke languages in Latin America is Spanish and BRAZILIAN Portuguese.

- Brazil doesn't have the highest amount of homicides in Latin America, that's Venezuela followed by Mexico.

Mexico is not a BRICS member

Why are you guys putting Mexico as a BRICS member?? B- Brazil | R- Russia | I- India | C- China | S- South Africa

This article only mentions BRICS once, in passing, and it states that Mexico will be among "the largest economies in the world", not a member of BRICS. Mz7 (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

List of cities by population is incorrect.

Please use this to update list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_American_cities_by_population

As an example, Santo Domingo, capital of the Dominican Republic is actually the 7th largest Latin American city but it is not currently present in this article.

São Paulo is the largest city in Latin America, not Mexico city! I don't know who keeps changing it, but there's no need for lies just so your city would look bigger! TitusPHB (talk) 06:22, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@TitusPHB: Can you provide us with a reliable source that verifies the change you want to make? According to this interactive map, currently cited in the article, it would appear the Mexico City metropolitan area has a larger population than the São Paulo metropolitan area. Note that the "metropolitan area" of a city is often different from the administrative boundaries of the city. Mz7 (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mz7: If you read your "reliable source" you'll see that they're talking about POPULATIONAL DENSITY! And you asked me for a reliable source to comprovante what im saying it's true, so here's "Word Population Review" to proof what I'm saying. Mexico city have a population of 8.9 Million according to it: http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/mexico-city-population/ while São Paulo, a population of 12 Million: http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/sao-paulo-population/

And if you still have questions, just search on Google for "Mexico City population" and "São Paulo population" and you don't even have to click any link, Google it self tells you the numbers. Now stop telling lies to yourself and changing Wikipedia's article so Mexico City looks bigger. Thx

@TitusPHB:, The sources that you are citing are for the cities proper, while the ranking that you keep changing in the article is for metro areas. And no, the interactive map that Mz7 linked does not just give statistics for population density, it shows the population of the metro areas.--Tdl1060 (talk) 00:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tdl1060:, OH MY FREAKING GOSH, no one cares to metro area! The largest city in Latin America is São Paulo and everybody knows that cities we measure by its population. Using "metros" is just an excuse to keep changing it! Stop the BS

@Samsara:, Help me to fix this problem!

-Cities are measured by the number of people in it, not by metros!

-The population of Brazil is no longer 204M, is already 210M.

-Mexico IS NOT a member of BRICS: B - Brazil R - Russia I - India C - China S - South Africa! That's it... No M for Mexico there.

- Mexico City doesn't have a higher GDP per capita than São Paulo.

- The 2 most spoke languages in Latin America is Spanish and BRAZILIAN Portuguese.

- Brazil doesn't have the highest amount of homicides in Latin America, that's Venezuela followed by Mexico.

This "Latin America" description it's all wrong and i cant fix it! So please, do it urself then.. But don't leave as it is or otherwise u'll be sharing fake information! Thx

HERE'S A CORRECTED VERSION FOR YOU!

"Latin American" and "Latinoamérica" redirect here. For Latin American people, see Latin Americans. For the song, see Latinoamérica (song).

Latin America

Area	19,197,000 km2 (7,412,000 sq mi)
Population	626,741,000 (2015 est.)
Population density	31/km2 (80/sq mi)
Demonym	Latin American
Countries	20
Dependencies	13
Languages	Mainly: Spanish and Portuguese Others: Quechua, Mayan languages, Guaraní, French, Aymara, Nahuatl, Italian, German, English, Dutch, Polish, Ukrainian, Welsh, Yiddish, Chinese, Japanese
Time zones	UTC-2 to UTC-8
Largest cities	1. São Paulo according to http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/sao-paulo-population/ 2. Mexico City according to http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/mexico-city-population/ 3. Buenos Aires 4. Rio de Janeiro 5. Bogotá 6. Lima 7. Santiago 8. Belo Horizonte 9. Guadalajara 10. Monterrey

Latin America is a group of countries and dependencies in the Americas where Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese are predominant. The term originated in 19th century France as Amérique latine to consider French-speaking territories in the Americas (Haiti, French Guiana, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Saint Martin, Saint Barthélemy) along with the larger group of countries where Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese languages prevailed. It is therefore broader than the terms Ibero-America or Hispanic America—though it usually excludes French Canada, Brazilian Portuguese and modern French Louisiana.

Latin America consists of nineteen sovereign states and several territories and dependencies which cover an area that stretches from the northern border of Mexico to the southern tip of South America, including the Caribbean. It has an area of approximately 19,197,000 km² (7,412,000 sq mi), almost 13% of the Earth's land surface area. As of 2015, its population was estimated at more than 626 million and in 2014, Latin America had a combined nominal GDP of 5,573,397 million USD and a GDP PPP of 7,531,585 million USD.

The term "Latin America" was first used in a 1856 conference with the title "Initiative of the America. Idea for a Federal Congress of Republics" (Iniciativa de la América. Idea de un Congreso Federal de las Repúblicas), by the Chilean politician Francisco Bilbao. In such conference, he called for the creation of a confederation of Latin American republics to better search for their common defense and prosperity, without political or economic barriers between them. In the same work, he also detailed the principles under which such a confederation should work.

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Metropolitan area vs. administrative boundaries

So, we have one contributor here who is adamant about switching the measure of population from number of people in the metropolitan area of a city to the number of people within the administrative boundaries of a city. In attempting to formulate a response to this user, I was left wondering, why do we use the metropolitan areas of the cities in this article? It seems population within administrative boundaries is the more popular population gauge, and my intuition is that more readers would be looking for that. It would also allow the article to align with List of Latin American cities by population. Mz7 (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Black population in Nicaragua

The CIA World Factbook states that Wikipedia has a population of 6,025,951 as of July 2017. Of this population, 9% are black. This translates to about 542335 black people in Nicaragua.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nu.html

Tanakachingonzo (talk) 15:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Racial Inequality in Latin America Not Discussed

Overall I believe this article to be very comprehensive, both speaking about Latin America in general terms (where appropriate) and distinguishing between different countries as well. Everything is relevant and the information is presented in a neutral informative way. There is an extensive list of reputable, accessible sources.

Where I feel it is lacking is discussion on racial inequality. While there is a small section on inequality it serves only to inform readers about wealth inequality (and serves as a small introduction to the main page: Wealth Inequality in Latin America.) My suggestions to improve this page so that there is a more comprehensive understanding of the social and economic dynamic in Latin American countries is to include more information on Racial Inequality and its effects in Latin America. I feel as though this is an important factor in the way that Latin American society functions and is a viewpoint severely underrepresented by this article.

Information on this page specifically would not need to be too extensive, as there needs to be a separate page on Racial Inequality in Latin America as well (it should be noted that the main page for information is separate similar to the way in which it denotes the main page for wealth inequality in separate). Additionally, perhaps the order of the sections could be rearranged so that demography is right before the inequality section?

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Shouldn't Papiamento speaking islands also be included?

Since Papiamento is Portugese-based... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:302:D114:FCB0:3187:58E7:FA04:9067 (talk) 20:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

The definition of Latin America needs to be adjusted to Include the USA

The USA is the 2nd country in the World by number of Spanish Speakers. The USA is an important and an active part of the Hispanic/Latin universe. The word "Predominant" excludes the USA from a well deserved place in Latin America.

If there is a valid source that includes a definition that matches your idea, then it could be added (for example, if it is defined by amount of Spanish/Portuguese/French speaking inhabitants rather than just predominant language), or if there is a good source that support that the term Latin America includes USA in some definition, interpretation or usage, but if there is no reference for an alternative definition, I don't think we should adapt it, since we would be creating content. Linkcisco (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Languages query

Can someone explain why we have "Italian, German, Polish, Ukrainian, Welsh, Yiddish, Chinese, Japanese" etc listed as languages spoken "mainly" here? I have no doubt that there are at least some "Italian, German, Polish, Ukrainian, Welsh, Yiddish, Chinese, Japanese" speakers in Latin America, but it's strange to list these languages when they are not majority in any countries/territories in the region. Alssa1 (talk) 14:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes I agree --the list is highly misleading. Rjensen (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed This is uncontroversial, and a simple fix. Carlstak (talk) 14:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Brazil is latin but Belize is not?

Does anyone else find this strange. Neither speak Spanish, Brazil speaks Brazilian Portuguese and Belize speaks English, culturally of course they are worlds apart, but then again so are Uruguay and Nicaragua. So why the discrepancy? 2.81.166.210 (talk) 19:40, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

And while of course one can say Latin America as in speaking a romance language, what about Paraguay? There are many spanish speakers there but the most widely spoken language there is Quechua and not Spanish. Quechua of course not being a romance language. 2.81.166.210 (talk) 19:49, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Should be Canada be include as a Latin American Country

The article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America starts with this statement:

Latin America[a] is a group of countries and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere where Romance languages such as Spanish, Portuguese, and French are predominantly spoken; it is broader than the terms Ibero-America or Hispanic America.

But later on every text and image leaves Canada outside of Latin America. I could not find a discussion about this on wikipedia, so I'm wondering if this subject was taken into consideration or if it just has never been noted.

I believe leaving Canada outside the list of countries makes the article inconsistent, so I propose either add Canda to the article or explain why should not be considered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobowinter (talk • contribs) 12:59, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Black Nicaraguans

this article is a racist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.122.213 (talk) 05:17, 8 January 2020 (UTC) This article is incorrect in that it states Nicaragua has 0% black people. This is not true, about 10% of Nicaragua's population is black, it has the most black people(in terms of numbers not percentages) of any Central American country.

this is a racist article and i dont dont like it

why cant we assume that french canadians are latin as well as new orleans. why just why assume that the mayflower is the better than sliced bread. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.122.213 (talk) 05:24, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

the whole article is a mess

The article is pure yellow propaganda it is one side view ... it's almost laughable or sad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.122.213 (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Belize

Spanish is an official language of Belize, and soken by many people. why is paraguay inluded and belize not? belize is technically more latin than paraguay Norschweden (talk) 13:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move of La

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Francophone America is suddenly "Latin" America now...OK then

A single obscure factoid about the way Napoleon III's government referred to its American possessions, from the mid-19th century, does not in any way justify including all French-speaking nations as part of Latin America and thus altering the common meaning of the term. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether their predominant language is a Romance language or not -- the term "Latin" is a cultural distinction here (specifically that of Iberian and Iberian-descendant states), not merely one of linguistics. The term Latino (an adjective for Latin Americans) is never used to refer to Haitians or people from any other French possession or former French possession. The map should be changed; the prominence of including French-speaking countries in the lede should be scaled down; and there should be a short section highlighting the fact that France used to consider French-speaking portions of America as Amerique latine (a term meaning something obviously different from contemporary usage) -- that's it. --68.8.190.63 (talk) 06:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC) SchutteGod (not logged in)

Francophone Regions

Yes, these are part of Latin America and should be included. This is the true meaning of the term. Quebec must be included. The term is different from Ibero-America which only includes Spanish and Portuguese origin regions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AF35:D00:9C17:9B9D:284F:EBA (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Literally no one considers Quebec Latin America so clearly Latin America is simply another term for Ibero-America. Haiti is normally not included either.--Php2000 (talk) 12:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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An exception to this is Puerto Rico, which is almost always included within the definition of Latin America despite being a territory of the United States

The question is to whom is Puerto Rico is an exception? To me it is part of the "United States". Quebec which is heavily influenced by France is not part of Latin America, okay... but Puerto Rico is just because... "i said so?" Even if the Anglo-america article refers Puerto Rico as part of Anglo America?- "Similarly, Spanish-speaking Puerto Rico is considered part of Anglo-America because of its status as a unincorporated territory of the United States"

Makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.154.226.146 (talk) 01:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

[1][2][3]. Puerto Rico's first language is Spanish, their culture is similar to that of other Caribbean countries. Quebec is like California and Texas, they have non-English speakers, but their culture is anything like the Latin American culture. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Your obsviously ignorant about Canadian history specially about its colonization, in regards to quebec its was part of the french colonial empire "new france" and today not only they speak french but they are almost all catholics and they are the only province that uses civil law and not common law... just like many other countries in latin america.It was pointed out the contradictions of the article and how rubbish wikipedia is at contradicting itself as pointed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.154.226.146 (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, as I'm ignorant please continue speaking and debating with yourself. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

This article is getting void by the second.

Whats the point of having an article called Latin America, a region of the Americas where Romance languages (Spanish, Portuguese and French) are prevalent as opposed to Anglo america ( when theres already an article called French America? In that case it should be obvious that an article called Portuguese America should also be created.

The term was further popularised by French Emperor Napoleon III's government in the 1860s as Amérique latine

When the article is also contradicting itself "Some subnational regions known as French America such as Quebec and parts of the United States where Romance languages are primarily spoken are not usually included due to the countries as a whole being a part of Anglo America (an exception to this is Puerto Rico, which is almost always included within the definition of Latin America despite being a territory of the United States)." but the article Aglo America says Puerto Rico is considered part of Anglo-America because of its status as a unincorporated territory of the United States — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.154.226.146 (talk) 17:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Falklands, Y Wladfa, Quebec?

Y Wladfa is not French America, Latin America or Anglo America. It's just Patagonia and that's it. Like Canadians whose first language is french wouldn't accept to be called Anglos or Anglo-Americans. So people from Y Wladfa whose first language is welsh why all of them aren't included in divisional terms? You don't call them latinos or anglos, they are against argentine gov and english gov, in welsh everyone calls them Patagonians, like patagoniadd, and welsh is not a latin language. All this is just plain incorrect. The Falklands are not included in none of those terms as well even tho everyone says they should be part of Anglo America. Y wladfa is separated like Quebec and the Falklands. Is because not many know about it due to "cultural isolation" and the Argentine government putting sanctions trying to make the territory like the country? also taking in count that The Falklands and South Atlantic territories including antarctic territories claimed by Argentina were excluded. Argentina doesn't even have an official language to protect Spanish by law like Canada does with English and French. Y wladfa has all documents in Welsh recognized since they landed in terra nullius and created the colony, including language, schools, sport clubs like rugby nd hockey draig goch rc, eistedfodd, important dates: Gwyl y glaniad, even food like Teisen ddu and Patagonian welsh tea ceremony, flag and anthem. Both territories have these. Please, put a gray point on the map where the Y Wladfa settlements are located and include falks in anglo america. It's not part of latin languages and culture. Nobody considers them as part of the territory and country, even Argentines hate it because of being "brits". It only shows one's ignorance in using the term from both sides, and welsh are the real british not the english that invaded the uk and were germanic, for those racist argies against y wladfa and the islands! French speaking canadians aren't anglos, welsh patagonians and faklanders aren't latinos. Same case? Quebec, Y wladfa, maybe Falklands too that are also ignored here in those terms? These definitions need an update, territories being omitted due to claims. The falklands should be in Anglo-America and Y Wladfa isn't latin america or anglo america. I'm pretty sure nobody in Y Wladfa likes the Argentines and the English reason why Patagonian is the patriotic demonym. Same for Quebec, it isn't Anglo America or Latin America.Falklands are located in the americas too but were ignored in these definitions or maybe ignored for being an isolated minority. Online they only talk to british people and welsh groups, I've not seen them talking to other latinos or argentinians, guess that not many know about it? maybe falklanders, but they talk to certain people in patagonia and immigrant argentinians EDIT: MY BAD. Someone already told me since the settlements are very small are already known to be apart the definition like the falklands and quebec. Being a small number and disputed/isolated territories exclude them from being added to any of these terms. Also Y wladfa has a very strong connection with Canada (second colony of patagonians is Saltcoats! and they also helped build winnipeg) so happy to see north america and the uk with other organizations helping the territories in south america againts disputes, territorial claims and cultural appropiation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galleny (talk • contribs) 10:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Francophone America is suddenly "Latin" America now...OK then

A single obscure factoid about the way Napoleon III's government referred to its American possessions, from the mid-19th century, does not in any way justify including all French-speaking nations as part of Latin America and thus altering the common meaning of the term. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether their predominant language is a Romance language or not -- the term "Latin" is a cultural distinction here (specifically that of Iberian and Iberian-descendant states), not merely one of linguistics. The term Latino (an adjective for Latin Americans) is never used to refer to Haitians or people from any other French possession or former French possession. The map should be changed; the prominence of including French-speaking countries in the lede should be scaled down; and there should be a short section highlighting the fact that France used to consider French-speaking portions of America as Amerique latine (a term meaning something obviously different from contemporary usage) -- that's it. --72.197.197.39 (talk) 19:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC) SchutteGod (not logged in)

Notes for copy-edit

• On first pass I have done an edit for language mechanics sentence by sentence, without trying to address structure, which does need to be addressed. Article is incredibly long and very repetitive. Consider comparing to spinoff articles.
• ”Indigenous” is inconsistently capitalized. I prefer lower-case personally, but MoS may have a policy on this, as the question has probably previously arisen
• Wikilinks are also inconsistent, particularly for names of countries, but if we will enforce the policy of linking once on first mention, structure and length should be addressed first.
• Many references lack page numbers and dates.
• mining and manufacturing sections are very tedious, although to their credit very referenced. IS there a better way to display this information?

Elinruby (talk) 01:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

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