Talk:Language Atlas of China

Download

where can I download this atlas?--Kaiyr (talk) 14:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Pasting of translated web pages

I have again reverted pasting of (even more) automated translations of web pages. This is a copyright violation, and also makes the article repetitious and incoherent. Kanguole 18:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, I understand. Thank you for your guidance. I will correct my writing problems. Since I don't have enough time to edit all the content at once, I will correct the content in the sandbox. Thank you again for your guidance.🌹 WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 13:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I reverted the version because I had to go back to see my previous edits, but don’t worry, I’ll undo them in a minute. WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 13:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I cannot undo your changes to this article, could you please help me retrieve the latest version I edited? This is very important to me, I spent a lot of time searching for relevant information, because this is part of my final assignment WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Your latest version has been hidden by an administrator, apparently because it contained material copied from https://doi.org/10.1109/ICET58434.2023.10211437 in violation of copyright. As I am not an administrator, I cannot see that version.

In general, an approach of starting by copying in text from elsewhere and then editing it to make it different is not the way to go. The original copying taints whatever you do with it. It's much better to write something in your own words from the start. Kanguole 13:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much, I will correct my mistake💗 WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 14:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I have reviewed this issue (I am the instructor supervising the student who is expanding this page). In the content I've reviewed I did not find any machine translation issues (feel free to quote relevant parts if you disagree); I did however see parts that were unreferenced and non-neutral and I asked the student to revise them before restoring. As for the copyvio issue, I would like to discuss it with the student but I also cannot see this - I'll @Diannaa - can you link to the public COI report, if one exist, or otherwise sent me relevant information by email? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:13, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

You can check the results from Turnitin by visiting the CopyPatrol report. In order to review the iThenticate reports you will have to first log in to the CopyPatrol system and agree to the terms of use of the Turnitin people, who have kindly donated the use of this tool to Wikipedia. Then, you will be asked to provide authorization at Meta for access to your account. Now you are logged in to the CopyPatrol system.

Click on the link to the iThenticate report you wish to view, so that you can see what was found by the detection service (The iThenticate reports may take a while to load). In this particular instance the copyvio portion of the edit was small. Let me know if you need anything else, and I will reply tomorrow. — Diannaa (talk) 03:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Diannaa Thank you for the helpful and detailed explanation - I was able to access it and see the final report. I'll show it to the student soon, so they have a better understanding of what they need to do (I've already directed them to WP:CLOP). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

To take some examples from this version:

Unreferenced text in the article	Google translation of source
There are a total of 35 color maps, each with necessary textual explanations.	There are a total of 35 color maps, each with necessary text descriptions.[1]
In 1999, this book won the First Prize for Excellent Achievements of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. In 1999, won the first prize of the National Social Science Key Planning Project. It has caused a great response in the academic community both domestically and internationally, and has received widespread praise.	In 1999, he won the first prize of the Outstanding Achievement Award of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. In 1999, he won the first prize of the National Social Science Key Planning Project. It has caused great repercussions in academic circles at home and abroad and has been widely praised.[2]
This book proposes a five level classification method for Chinese dialects, which is "local dialects (点 diǎn) - clusters (小片 xiǎopiàn) - subgroups (片 piàn) - groups (区 qū) - supergroups (大区 dàqū)". In the Atlas, a county or city generally selects one dialect representative local dialects (点 diǎn), while in areas with complex dialects, two or more representative local dialects (点 diǎn) are selected. Except for dialect points, the scope of other levels varies depending on the actual situation. Dialects within the same sub district, sub district, district, or major district all have obvious similarities. This is a multi-level classification of Chinese dialects based on common characteristics as the standard. This five level classification method is a progress in both theory and practice compared to the traditional "dialect sub dialect local language" three-level classification method.	"Atlas" proposed a five-level division method for Chinese dialects: " Dian--Small piece--Pian--District--Large district " . "Point" refers to a dialect point. Generally, one dialect representative point is selected for a county or city in the Atlas. In areas with complex dialects, two or more representative points are selected. Several points make up small pieces; several small pieces make up slices; several pieces make up regions; several regions make up large regions. Except for the dialect point, the scope of each other level varies depending on the actual situation. Dialects in the same small area, area, or large area all have obvious similarities. This is a multi-level classification of Chinese dialects using common characteristics as criteria. This five-level classification method is an improvement in theory and practice compared with the traditional three-level classification method of "dialect-sub-dialect-dialect".[3]

and similarly for the rest. The reason the pasted text is non-neutral is that the text translated is promotional. Kanguole 20:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, I noticed the differences, would you want me to modify them?🤔️ WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 00:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The content is useful, but we have to summarize it using our own words (which then you can proofread with a tool like Grammarly). Note that we cannot just translate and paste the resulting text - translation does not remove the copyright from the original text. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Image requested

{{Image requested|in=China}} WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)