Talk:Mass killings of landlords under Mao Zedong/Archive 1

Archive 1

Looking at the history

of this article's naming in terms of date and content it looks like this news outlet may have ripped this article off: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2232983-how-mao-radicalized-peasants-to-kill-landlords/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:600A:45:5C2E:9562:4298:87C7 (talk) 08:11, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Socks of User:Accopulocrat were the main editors here

@Moxy and Omnipaedista: Urchu, Thisiswhyeventsunnerveme,Justawiley and of course Underwritten were all his socks. Having a script that strikes through the usernames of blocked editors is really, really useful. Doug Weller talk 16:39, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Good to know. I have fact-checked most of it. Other editors are welcome to double check it as well. I'd say the topic is quite legitimate. --Omnipaedista (talk) 20:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 20 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 12:35, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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Mass killings of landlords under Mao Zedong → Land reform in China – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NPOV. The mass killings, while notable, occurred under the context of the wider Land Reform Campaign, (土地改革运动 in Chinese WP), and should be placed under a dedicated section there like the similar article Land reform in North Vietnam. Furthermore, all other similar WP articles use the official CCP title eg Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries, Anti-Rightist Campaign etc. LucasGeorge (talk) 17:12, 20 October 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. –Ammarpad (talk) 18:49, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: There is no article on Land reform in China. There is only a 7-paragraph long section called 'Land reforms by country#China'. --Omnipaedista (talk) 17:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: I'm leaning on oppose here. I really don't think the WP:NPOV card can be played here. This wasn't a "land reform" with some notable miss killings. This was a dictator deciding to kill people to take their lands. Call it what it is. Also, we shouldn't care what the CCP calls anything. --Gonnym (talk) 07:03, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
• Comment The article would need to be expanded to cover the land reform program more broadly. Currently, it is pretty much purely about the killings which took place. AusLondonder (talk) 10:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose This article follows the pattern of similar articles such as Mass killings under communist regimes, Crimes against humanity under Communist regimes, Persecution of Falun Gong, Red Terror, and Red Terror (Spain). --Omnipaedista (talk) 14:49, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
• Strong oppose there's been land reform in China many times in the thousands of years that China has existed -- 65.94.42.18 (talk) 04:30, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
• Approve I think it should be in contronversional part of Land Reform because it's a frequently used method in land reform and if we talk about this without describing conditions in land reform, we will automaticly ignore other influence of land reform and we are unable to say other view (including PRC's view and those who gets land during this land reform) because the title is thought to be biased by some Chinese. 2409:8930:FF11:4734:51FA:2D2B:79B2:C563 (talk) 05:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose ridiculous euphemism. Srnec (talk) 19:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Call it what it was. Being offensive to the Chinese government is completely irrelevant. Mass murder is mass murder, not "land reform"! -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Mass killing is a method of Land Reform and if we claims it's a Mass killing, we are ignoring other methods used against landlords. Also, the background, the process will be ignored because we pay more attention to the action of mass killing. I think "Capaign against landlords under Mao Zedong" is more suitable as Mao frequently uses the term "capaign". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariogoods (talk • contribs) 01:45, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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Moving to "Purges of landlords under Mao Zedong"

I outlined before that the term "mass killings" is a misnomer. Per Short (2001, pg 632), the killings are only one aspect, while Mao's campaign mostly focused on reforming (ie "reeducating") the landlord class and their descendants. This thus can be properly term a purge.--LucasGeorge (talk) 06:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for moving the article to richer and much needed topic

Many thanks to Jp16103 and Zanhe for moving this article to a richer and much needed topic. We still have work to do, however, which I have begun by tweakng the lede to match the article better and making a few strategic edits. ch (talk) 03:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

chNo problem, the previous article was seriously lacking a lot of information on this important topic. Will do my best to help contribute in the future. Jp16103 13:07, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Please keep up the good work!ch (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Ignoring consensus

Wait, so the user requesting the move couldn't get a consensus, and had most of the replies disagreeing with him... So he just waited a few months and went ahead with it? What's the point? This is really as blatant as it gets. 142.119.117.125 (talk) 06:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Need a name change

Why is this called 'Chinese Land Reform'?? This was a massacre of thousands, millions of people, also like the editors voted above, this shouldn't be moved to Chinese Land Reform!! WTF. --Hkfreedomfighter (talk) 14:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi “Hkfreedomfighter” Wikipedia is not a place for personal political opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B02C:AF85:286F:3FDE:7E16:B113 (talk) 17:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Chinese Land Reform sounds like a deceptive euphemism. Isn't there something more descriptive? Chinese Land Confiscation perhaps? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vctrbarbieri (talk • contribs) 20:05, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't about opinions (though sometimes it is), it's about facts. What you feel does not matter to a site that delivers questionable information, if you do not like it, leave. Xurius (talk) 07:01, 6 September 2021 (UTC)