Talk:Lake Ohrid

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I'm deleting the part that relates to the history of the surrounding of the Lake’s shore because:

1) It’s irrelevant to the lake article

2) It’s inaccurate: Cyril& Methodius didn’t codified Cyrillic but Glagolytic alphabet. Clement of Ohrid may have codified the Cyrillic but it was most likely formed in Preslav Literary School

Comments to my changes Andimatz 10:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

In my changes to the Lake Ohrid entry I have changed/deleted several parts, which I would like to explain below:

1. I have deleted the title "Natural Characteristics", as all titles (except Cities) concerned natural characteristics. I have split up the existing information from the title to "Geography", "Hydrology" and "Physical and Geochemical Lake Properties" and expanded it from my own background.
2. Table and Hydrology (former Natural Characteristics): Catchment size 1100 km2 covers only the tributaries. However underground karst connection is even more important. Including Lake Prespa and its catchment leads to a catchment of 2600km2.
3. Hydrology (former Natural Characteristics): Stable isotope studies have shown, that about 21% (and not 50%) of the total inflow to LO comes from Lake Prespa. The remainder of the spring water is percolated mountain precipitation (Galcica). see reference 4
4. Origin: I have deleted the sentence "Most other lakes were formed as a result of the glaciation...". While this is true for a number of lakes, particularly in northern and central Europe, as well as North America, there are many types of tectonic lakes, crater lakes, etc.. The reason why there are only few old lakes is that all the others have ceased to exist, mostly because they were filled up with sediments by their tributaries.
5. Socio-Economy (former Cities): 131,000 is the population directly at the lake shore (mostly consisting of the three cities). Together with the villages along the tributaries and the Lake Prespa catchment there are about 170,000 inhabitants.
6. Fauna1: I have extended and changed the first part on endemic species. I have left away
   • the 25 million years old snail genus (this age is not verified),
   • the direct link to Baikal in terms of species and clarity ( a)the species are sometimes similar, but not the same; b)there are several very clear lakes without endemic species (Crater Lake, Lake Tahoe, Lake Lucerne) and less transparent, ancient lakes with high endemism (Lake Titicaca, Lake Biwa, Lake Victoria)) and
   • the notion that a 30% ratio of endemism is typical for lakes (Only few lakes have more than a few truly endemic species and most of these are very close relatives of neighbouring lakes; 30% is still high).
7. Fauna2: I have reduced the section on the eel, but added some part under "Human pressure". This because the European eel is truly fascinating, but common throughout Europe. A detailed description of its life cycle is given under "European eel" in wikipedia. Moreover, as I have added to "Human pressure", today's eel population in LO is not natural but stocked (because of river blocking)

Please comment on the above or change directly what you don't like (I also hope that I didn't make too many blunders, as I edited a page for the first time). Thanks Andimatz 10:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Infobox of UNESCO World Heritage Sites

Please have a look in the "Ohrid" article talkpage with regards to the name used in the | State Party= ? variable. --157.228.x.x (talk)

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North vs. no North.

Firstly Apcbg and Jingiby's The North Macedonia's side of Lake Ohrid... makes no sense (maybe someone needs an English lesson). Secondly, according Wikipedia:MOSMAC adjectival form of North Macedonia is flexible given it is not an official state institution or if there is ambiguity:

In the absence of a clearer consensus on which of the two to prefer, it is recommended to use the longer form where ambiguity might be an issue (especially on first introducing the topic). The shorter form can be used where the topic of the country is already established in context. One general example of this may include subsequent and repetitive references to the country in articles that are primarily about topics related to North Macedonia, its culture, and its people.

Given that Greece does not have a share in Lake Ohrid (therefore no ambiguity) and use of North Macedonian is repetitive in the current version, I recommend sticking to the stable version. I can also accept North Macedonia's side of Lake Ohrid... (dropping the dubious "The") in the lead given "Macedonian" is used in the rest of the article as the context is clear it is actually "North Macedonian" to common readers. --Beat of the tapan (talk) 11:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Of course these changes were silly, no basis for them. I'll revert back. --Local hero ^talk 14:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

maps for the infobox

@Beat of the tapan: I see you reverted the pushpin map on the grounds that the map of Albania of "Not an improvement. Albania is not the only state where the lake is located within". What pushpin map would you suggest we use as for those not familiar with the close location? I'm not trying to define that this lake is only in Albania, but it was as good as the other pushpin maps at a country level. Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 10:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Wolfgang8741, I see where you coming from (for both this and Lake Prespa). A pushpin map of North Macedonia does not work either especially being land-locked. I think multiple pushpin maps may work, one for AL and NM, if possible. Or some kind of interactive map, again, if possible. Beat of the tapan (talk) 23:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Beat of the tapan: The available list of readily available maps are Template:Location_map/List, but none seem to have a good regional cover. We could use the Europe map in both this and Lake Prespa until a more regional specific could be created. Thoughts? Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wolfgang8741: Sounds like a good idea, lets go with the Europe map for now. Thanks! Beat of the tapan (talk) 08:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)