Talk:Labuan

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Does anyone know why Labuan - which is after all just a small island near Borneo - has a special status? What advantages does it have by this? Luis rib 15:42, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The advantage is to be a tax haven. --212.121.144.106 11:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Labuan came from the Malay word of "Labuhan"

In Malay word, "Labuhan" is Anchorage. I guess along the way it's pronounce as Labuan. Combining the "Per" and "Labuhan" will produce the word "Perlabuhan" which meant "Port" in English.

Independence Movement?

Can we get some outside citation for the Labuan "Independence Movement"? A cursory web search reveals NO evidence of any such movement or sentiment for one. Whether it is serious movement, tongue-in-cheek Conch Republic-style sentiment, or the aspiration of the entry writer, please cite a source and clarify. Without it, the section in question and the Labuan independence Movement should be deleted.

• That's pretty clearly a hoax; Google has no relevant hits for "Morris Ramah Davidson Labuan" [1]. I deleted the section. | Keithlaw (talk) (contribs) 00:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Most sabahans understand that Labuan was ceded by the government of sabah under the chief ministership of Harris Salleh to the Federation of Malaysia under intense pressure and widespread protests by Sabahans.

Jawi forms

Jawi is not another language but an alternate orthography for Malay and is appropriate here (just as both character and pinyin forms for Chinese places or hangul and hanja for Korean ones). LuiKhuntek 04:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

why should there be jawi wordings for the name? the official language for malaysia and labuan is malay and the official written form of malay is in the roman alphabet.

is it? or really? Malay do not use jawi already ah?--60.52.87.191 17:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Please read Talk:Kuching about the matter. The concensus is Malay Jawi does not have a strong presence in the East Malaysia, hence the drop of the usage of Jawi in East Malaysia's articles. However, in Peninsular Malaysia's articles, the usage is stronger and therefore, Jawi writing is kept there. Cheers. --Zack2007 02:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Area of Labuan

Please note that the area of Labuan Island and of the Federal Territory of Labuan are shown as exactly the same, i.e. no allowance is currently being made for the areas of the six offshore islands which combine with Labuan Island to form the Territory. As the six offshore islands clearly do have some area, can the figure for Labuan Island itself be reduced accordingly? Rif Winfield (talk) 11:10, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

The picture of the audience hall currently used is from a different treaty 1844 not 1846

Treaty of Oct 1844 - Labuan was discussed but not formally offerred / ceded

Signing of the Treaty of Labuan 18 Dec 1846

I would suggest changing the picture currently used

to this one ------------->:

The picture you are using has been mis-captioned by MANY people which is why I didn't just switch it. I suspect it may upset people if I just changed it without talking first.

The picture many have labeled and used to illustrate the cession of Labuan is actually the signing of the Treaty between Brunei and England in Oct 1844. The anti-piracy and friendship treaty that was negotiated when Pengiran Muda Hassim returned to Brunei on the HMS Samarang and HEICS Phlegethon. The 6-pounder gun loaded with grape ammunition etc... is because Brooke was essentially deposing Pengiran Usop and replacing him with Raja Muda Hassim.

You can read for yourself here in Frank Marryat's book - https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=XM5CAAAAcAAJ&pg=GBS.PA108&hl=en

After the capture of Brunei 8 July 1846

The Sultan was intimidated by Mundy - it took 3 attempts for Mundy to see him. He tried in August, Sept and finally the last time in Dec.

You can read about the 1846 negotiations here: https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=FB1JAAAAcAAJ&pg=GBS.PA294-IA2&hl=en

Dec. 18. - At daylight I sent Lieutenant Little Dec. 18 . in charge of the boats of the Iris and Wolf , armed with twenty marines , to the capital , with orders to moor them in line of battle opposite the sultan's palace , and to await my arrival . Lieutenant Heath , was to assist as interpreter , with the Malays brought from Singapore . At noon I arrived . Pangeran Mumin received me on the steps , and the sultan at the gateway of the audience hall , and after shak ing hands , and the usual salutations , conducted me to a seat . The room was crowded with the pan gerans , rajahs , and dependants generally well dressed , and all armed with the krise . I com menced business immediately by stating that I had brought a treaty for his highness's seal and signa ture sent by the British Government which I hoped he would approve of , and which I begged might be read aloud by my interpreter . This was done , and the following are the clauses , short and to the point :

If you want to show the armed presence then maybe this is a better picture. I don't have conclusive proof but I'm pretty sure the flag on the right is the red & yellow flag of Raja Muda Hassim's family members who survived the massacre in late1845/early1846.

Marines stationed outside the Sultan's palace during the signing of the 1846 Treaty of Labuan

MatSallehSesat (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

And if you still don't believe me, the artist Frank Marryat who drew the audience hall picture was on the HMS Samarang and the HMS Samarang was sent home in 1846. It arrived at Spithead England on 1 Oct 1846. He had nothing to do with the 1846 treaty. MatSallehSesat (talk) 21:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC)