Talk:La Luz del Mundo/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: ComputerJA (talk · contribs) 18:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Review

Hello. I'll gladly take this article. I'll take about 1-4 days to finish my review and will give you a week after I'm done to finish up my concerns. Thanks in advance for your work on this one. ¡Felices fiestas! ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 18:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

The article is well-written, comprehensive, and well-sourced. All major aspects seem to be covered in the article, and there are not any signs of neutrality violations. Below are some of my concerns before the article passes. This is my first part of the review; I will be reviewing sources individually and checking for copyright violations/accuracy, so stay tuned for more! Thanks. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:47, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Introduction

• The church was founded in Guadalajara in 1926. – In my opinion, more should be explained about this period. The Cristero War and the administration of Plutarco Elías Calles are pivotal during this time. Mention the role of the Church in this decade.

• Reply: I don't quite understand what is being asked. The Church did not really play a "role" during this time, it was merely trying to survive antagonism from the anti-clerical government and Catholic rebels. Ajaxfiore (talk) 18:16, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for not being clearer. In other words, my suggestion was only for you to consider summarizing a bit more on the intro regarding the Cristero War, the Calles' administration, and on the political/religious climate of that time. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 18:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I will need some time to refresh my memory and will now take a break. Ajaxfiore (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Done.

• Great, all the updates look good. My only (small) concern is that the update about Flaviano Amatulli Valente's observation in the intro is not found anywhere else in the article, and thereby violates the requirements of WP:LEAD. All the information on the intro has to be a summary of the article and has to be cited elsewhere. Aside from that, everything looks good to go. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 03:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Done. Sentence removed. Ajaxfiore (talk) 13:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• In the final paragraphs, you should probably add its possible number of adherents and presence in the world.

• Done. Added sentence stating lower and upper bounds. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Background

• the Church said that God changed Joaquín González's name from Eusebio to Aarón via a vision – This sentence implies that God had a vision. Please rephrase to indicate that the Church had a vision that God decided to change the preacher's name.

• Done. Reworded.

Aarón Joaquín González early ministry

• During these early years – When?

• Done. Late 1920s per source. Ajaxfiore (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Later he charged the first minister to take care of 14 congregations in Ameca, Jalisco. – I would suggest changing take care to oversee.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• In 1934, a temple was acquired – Was built?

• Done. Temple was built. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Joaquín González claimed to have received word from God – Simplify to God's word.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• In 1939, it moved to a new meeting place at the 12 de Octubre colony – Should 12 de Octubre colony be linked? If you think an article can be created about that, I guess its fine to leave it as a redlink. But I have my doubts. You know more than me, though, so I will leave it up to you.

• Done. Link has been removed. 12 de Octubre is a street in the San Antonio neighborhood of southeast Guadalajara (Sector Reforma). Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Schism of 1942

• Some of the accusations were aimed at close down a temple that LLDM used with government permission – At → to.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• This schism was followed by a new baptism – Do you have any information on what this means?

• Done. Added info on baptisms.

Hermosa Provincia

• The land was then sold at reduced prices to members – to its members.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Roger S. Greenway says that Hermosa Provincia – Who is that guy?

• Done. Theologian, earliest source on the church. His name was removed as there is no need for direct attribution. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Question: Was it referred to as La Hermosa Provincia or la Hermosa Provincia?

• Reply: Most sources refer to it as colonia Hermosa Provincia. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Samuel Joaquín Flores' ministry

• There needs to be consistency on either La Hermosa Provincia or Hermosa Provincia.

• Done. Hermosa Provincia is used. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Patricia Fortuny says that the church's growth – Who is she?

• Done. Anthropologist and leading expert on the Church. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• the church's growth can be attributed to factors including its social benefits – Factors → several factors, including its social benefits …

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Worship

• women must cover their heads during services – Does the source specify with what? Perhaps a veil.

• Done.

• worship feature no images, saints, crosses or anything else that it considers objects of worship – If you want, you can change considers objects of worship to considers idolatry, or maybe linking considers objects of worship.

• Done. Reworded.

• The church has three daily prayer meetings throughout the world – Has → holds.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• both sexes recite from the bible or sing hymns – Bible should be capitalized per other usages in the same paragraph.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• recited and voluntary offerings and given – And → are.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• The 9:00 a.m. prayer was started by Joaquín González's wife, Elisa Flores – Was → was originally started.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Bible

• Ministers believe it is their duty to take care that talks do not deviate – Though appropriate, take care does not really sound right here. Perhaps you might consider changing it to something different.

• Done. Source corrected. Reworded.

Salvation

• La Luz del Mundo teaches that there was no salvation on earth – Earth is capitalized.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Christology

• Other sources say La Luz del Mundo is nontrinitarian[60][61] – Period needed before sources.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Link and italicize The Salt Lake Tribune

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Role of women

• Patricia Fortuny said, concerning the 9 a.m. prayer – Who is she?

• Done. Anthropologist and leading expert on the Church. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• and because the Bible states that men and women should not dress the same – This is an incomplete sentence. Consider merging it with the one before it.

• Done. Sentence fragment was removed.

• A Deaconess can help Pastors and Deacons – They should not be capitalized.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Potential mass suicide

• Jorge Erdely Graham accused the church of being a "destructive sect" – Who is he?

• Done. Mentioned at the top. Anti-cult activist and leader of the Instituto Cristiano de Mexico. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• According to Gordon Melton and David Bromley – Likewise. See above.

• Done. Religious scholars specializing in New Religious Movements. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Sexual abuses against leader

• According to the L.A. Times, days after his accusations – It should be Los Angeles Times

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Mexican Commission on Human Rights – Should be Mexico's National Human Rights Commission

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Wildlife refuge

• Vapsi Coronado – Who is this person?

• Done. Changed to ranch foreman. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Comments for the entire article

• When you're talking about La Luz del Mundo, the pronouns should be capitalized when calling it "the Church". As far as I know, "the church" refers to the building, while "the Church" refers to the congregation or religion as a whole.

• Done. Now "temple" refers to the building, "the Church" to the organization as a whole. Ajaxfiore (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• In the article, "Joaquín González" should be cut to "González" and "Samuel Flores" to "Flores", since we already know you are referring to.

• Done. Also added hatnote on Spanish naming customs so unfamiliar readers don't assume Joaquín is the middle name. Ajaxfiore (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Article passes! Congratulations for the great job and for sticking through the process. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 02:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Review: Part 2

• Source 9 needs to say it's a Spanish-language source. Add the | language = Spanish | portion to the source template.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Source 28 seems to be incomplete. Does it lack the exact page in the encyclopedia?

• Reply: Membership figures are taken from the World Christian Database. I have added the url to the search results. Note that a subscription is needed to access the data.

• The colony became a standard model for the church which has replicated it in many cities in Mexico and other countries.[citation needed] – There is a citation needed template.

• Done. Source added.

• There is no dancing or clapping – Not found in the source. Might have misread it but I could not find it.

• Done. Source added. Ajaxfiore (talk) 16:36, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Source 52 should have the Spanish language indication as mentioned above (i.e. | language = Spanish | )

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Likewise for source 6, 55, 56, 62, 79, 80, 84, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 98, 101, 102, 104, 108, 110, 111, 112, 113, 115, 116, 118, 119, 126, 127, 130, 131, 132,

• For the references and further readings, please add the Spanish-language templates too.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• women in the church are considered equal to men in social spheres and have equal capacities for obtaining higher education, social careers, and other goals that may interest them.[citation needed] – Citation needed template needs to be addressed.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 16:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• … The lowest rank within the ministerial hierarchy is that of "Worker", which confers responsibility for assisting everyone above them in the hierarchy with menial tasks.[citation needed] – Citation needed template needs to be addressed.

• Done. Ajaxfiore (talk) 16:30, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• The ranch was divided into two; one part was private and the other was nonprofit. The nonprofit part operates as an animal and wildlife refuge – The provided is only a balance sheet. I did not find any indication that the ranch was divided into two.

• Done. This is mentioned in the Bensman article. Added the source.