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This article should not be deleted.

As you all know Wikipedia has articles not only on every subject that you CAN think of but also on those that you can NOT. LOL is the most frequently used acronym on Internet and therefore it represents the younger generation and the Internet era. LOL is more than an acronym; rather it has now become a "symbol", if you get my drift. Deleting LOL is deleting a part of history. Jjeong12 (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I believe this article belongs in the wiktionary instead. --Poohunter (talk) 05:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this article should not be deleted.

I agree because it helps people to now differences. the word LOL is lough out loud and it means other things in other languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.100.217.213 (talk) 12:23, 23 February 2011 (UTC) ROFL MARKUS BABIES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.73.17 (talk) 03:17, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Lolocaust

sigh. Just goes to show how it's controversial doesn't it? While I did say that it should be removed if deemed too offensive to be of educational value, and I have tried to word it as neutrally as possible, I still find the rationale of "Disgusting offensive images" questionable. Wikipedia is not censored (and yes, the image is offensive to me too). The original image for Lolocaust is even far more offensive (involved gas chambers), again try googling before implying fabrication. The entire article hinges on youth culture, most of which do not come from WP:RS by virtue of it being 'young'. As evident from the posts in this talk page, a lot of [older] people vehemently see the term and its variations as a form of language corruption (not recognizing that 'proper English' today is a far cry from what it was even just a century ago). Anyway, don't really care which way, so won't revert. The addition was by User:Iamrockyroad which I merely attempted to refine and source. Being young enough, I do know that those words are used more often than people here seem to believe. --Obsidi♠n^Soul 17:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

My apologies for the overheated edit summary. I certainly did not mean to accuse you of fabrication or to doubt that the word appears in Urban Dictionary and elsewhere--although not, apparently, in WP:RS.

I agree that Wikipedia is not censored, of course. On the other hand, to quote W:F***, "Wikipedia articles may contain offensive words and images, but only for a good reason." I don't see the good reason to add an offensive word, with no WP:RS support, to the list of variants in this article. That list probably ought to be trimmed rather than expanded.

Also, even if the word "lolocaust" were an appropriate addition to the list of variants, nobody needs to see an offensive image in order to figure out what a swastika made out of LOLs would look like.

It would be great if somebody would edit this article (and also Internet slang) to remove some of the tiresome POV moralizing about not using internet slang in formal writing. That stuff is completely coatrack to these articles, though it has been in here forever. It's like including a long section on death by drowning in an article on bottled water. betsythedevine (talk) 22:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Fair point, and yep, W:F***. Hence my warning in my previous edit summary. I just felt a bit defensive since I was the one who uploaded the pic and expanded the addition (I am not anti-semitic in any way whatsoever, heh). Anyway, no more objections from here, heh. As for the article text, yep. The problem is that a lot of the sources come from editorials lamenting the 'decline' of youth literacy because of the spread of initialisms and netspeak. Most of everything that don't agree with this viewpoint are bound to come from non-WP:RS sources. Can't be helped, I guess, though technically, it does violate WP:DUE. Too busy to fix it myself though.--Obsidi♠n^Soul 04:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't realize you made that graphic yourself, but I absolutely believe you had gf motivation so don't imagine I think less of you for turning your graphic skills to the service of Wikipedia. I once Photoshopped a sign with a troll at play on Wikipedia, which I hope nobody thinks means that I love trolls! [1] All best wishes and thanks for your understanding, Betsy betsythedevine (talk) 04:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Haha, but how could you not love that hair? :P Anyway, all good and cheers. --Obsidi♠n^Soul 04:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Requesting fix for Arabic "هاها"

"هاها" is incorrect as Arabic Internet slang. The only reference it gives where this is mentioned just uses a quote from this Wikipedia article claiming the same thing. More commonly, Arabic users will write "ههههه" (which is "ه" repeating). "ه" is equivalent to the letter "H", while the "a" is treated as an implied short vowel, and isn't written (as is standard in Arabic and Hebrew). "هاهاها" uses a long "a" sound, and would be pronounced "haa haa haa". 109.189.97.216 (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

 Half done

Hm. That's 520,000 results for هاها versus 24,100,000 (predominantly Arabic) results for ههههه.

I have changed it, but I have two questions:

1. I don't speak Arabic so it's hard finding a reference for the word. Could you please provide one?
2. Is it possible that the two are used or is هاها not used at all? (Also if you know how people write LOL in عربي and can reference it, that would be awesome)

Thanks in advance --Obsidi♠n^Soul 01:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't have any sources at hand. However, as far as personal experience goes, "هاها" does get a lot of usage, albeit it's not as commonly associated with Internet slang or "chatspeak" as "هههه" strung together. Personally I'd say "هاهاها" feels forced and formal, in a way, much like writing "Ha, Ha, Ha!" instead of "hahaha" in an English chat would be. For others, it might simply be a "bigger laugh", or a way to serve as a sort of disambiguation when writing a "short laugh": هه ("hh") isn't as clear as هاها ("haha").

As for "LOL", usually people will either write "لول" (L-U-L) or simply use the Latin-script "LOL". This is mentioned in the article, but "لول" links to a deleted Wiktionary article, so it's not sourced. 109.189.97.216 (talk) 08:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I should also mention that "hhhhhhh" is common when an Arabic font is unavailable. Also note that the Arabic Wikipedia has an article on لول, but it only lists English sources.

Though it's not exactly a credible source, you could find examples of all of these expressions on Arabic YouTube videos. 109.189.97.216 (talk) 08:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 87.221.105.217, 24 May 2011

the picture of this definition not is a candy, is a drug...

87.221.105.217 (talk) 00:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Already done You probably just saw some temporary vandalism, which has already been corrected. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Inaccuracies on the explanation of the Korean ㅋ, 하, and 호

The article currently implies 하 is a louder laughter than ㅋ, when in fact the former is really just a more formal (as in used in literature formal) onomatopoeia, while the latter is a term evolved with the advent of the internet (analogous to LOL). Also, 호 is a more feminine form of 하. Lastly, as is the case with most Korean onomatopoeia, 하 and 호 are formally used only in pairs (eg 하하, and 호호), at times lengthened and used in more than 2 characters at a time for emphasis. The first claim may be verified using this link, which is to an open dictionary. http://kin.naver.com/openkr/detail.nhn?state=R&docId=2632 Although I could not find a more reliable external reference for my first claim, this link to a more traditional dictionary should suffice for the other 2 claims. http://krdic.naver.com/detail.nhn?docid=42730400 Jkih0021 (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

It might be better if you edit the entry yourself and provide the references (after you have been autoconfirmed) or provide us with the exact wording of the changes you wish made. Any mistakes on formatting and whatnot can be fixed easily enough. Offline sources are acceptable on good faith. It's just that not a lot of us here speak or read Korean (I don't, so can't help, sorry).-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 13:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

lulz, Schadenfreude, and other notes.

First off, is lulz a form of schadenfreude? The article on schadenfreude says it is "pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others." That makes seem like lulz is schadenfreude is too me. I understand that this conclusion may constitute synthesis but, with a source, wouldn't including schadenfreude in the definition for lulz be helpful to readers trying understanding the term?

On another note, considering the people who use it call lulz a "corruption of lol" wouldn't it also be prudent to include that in the definition as well. Sources for that are easy to find (see this Google Scholar search) so, as long it's worded properly, there shouldn't be any issue with neutral point of view and, once again, would be helpful to readers. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 17:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's so SYNthy if wikt:lulz mentions schadenfreude. Adding. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 14:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

jajaja

{{Edit semi-protected}} Please change ***jajaja: in Spanish, "j" is pronounced as "h"; together with "a", it forms "hahaha".*** to ***jajaja: in Spanish, has the same meaning as "hahaha".***

I can't edit the article, but in "jajaja", "j" doesn't sound like "h". The phonetic sound is [x]. Is completly different and this is the way spanish say it. Of course the meaning is like "hahaha", but never the sound. Could anyone change it? Thx

Tiparega (talk) 18:17, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Kind of. I just took out the "sounds like" part without adding the "same meaning" part because if it didn't have the same meaning it would not be appropriate for this article. -Atmoz (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, the article once again says "in Spanish, the letter "j" is pronounced "h" ". This is not true, according to Wikipedia itself:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcripci%C3%B3n_fon%C3%A9tica_del_espa%C3%B1ol_con_el_AFI

Also, it gives a "reference", #45, to some "SpanishDict" which clearly is not using IPA notation.

Thanks! 190.135.170.233 (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm assuming you don't understand Spanish, heh. Please note that it was talking about IPA (NOT the actual letters). Even in English the symbol [j] represents the sound 'i' or 'y' (like in the word 'yarn' which has the IPA [jɑːn]). Please note the given example words in the notes:

• hierro (IPA: [ˈje̞ro], approximate English pronunciation 'Yero'
• paranoia ([pa̠ɾa̠ˈno̞ja], approximate English pronunciation 'Paranoya'
• meiosis([me̞ˈjo̞sis], approximate English pronunciation 'Meyosis'

None of them contain the letter J. Common examples of J in Spanish which you have come across: Javier as 'Habiyer', Jose as 'Ho-seh', Jesus as 'He-soos', etc. Please note that depending on the dialect and the word it may be a 'soft' H (like the English H), but it is usually a hard H (almost like the KH sound in the Scottish word 'Loch'). The IPA for these sound in Spanish is [x] or [χ]. I suggest you listen to the Ejemplos (Examples) section.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 05:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm "190.135.170.233" again. I DO speak Spanish, it's my mother tongue. I was born, and I live, in Latin America. And believe me, "j" doesn't sound like "h". In Spanish, "h" doesn't sound at all. Maybe you're trying to say " 'j' sounds like 'h' in English", which is not the same. Even then, taking into account the different pronunciations in different countries/states/etc., I would suggest the utilization of a standardized notation (i.e., IPA). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.171.139 (talk) 22:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah apologies for the misunderstanding. I thought you meant the entry for /j/ in the table itself (which is actually referring to the 'y' sound). And yes I agree, 'j' in most Spanish dialects do not sound like the English 'h', it is however the closest equivalent. In this case, however, it is meant to sound like the English 'h' (a bit hard to say /xɑxɑxɑ/ heh), so yes IPA might be the best way to go. BTW, I encourage you to create an account for edits like this.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 02:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

lol = lots of love

Where have you guys been? lol meaning lots of love gets used 10 times as much as laugh out loud —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.249 (talk) 09:13, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

That meaning is one of the first mentioned on the disambiguation page: LOL_(disambiguation) If you have notable, verifiable material from reliable sources about the other meaning, you could try adding it to this article as a separate section. betsythedevine (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Modern usage example: LOL on a candy heart.

The heart image at the top of the page is much more like to be about love than laughs. So it is commercial usage aimed at young people. --Rumping (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree concerning the candy heart, LOL has been a common accronym for "Lots of Love" in (traditional, snail-mail) love letters for atleast a century, if not more!! I suggest you delete or replace the image! (or at least change the text) Maakelm (talk) 00:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I really really don't understand why people keep insisting on the 'lots of love' usage. Yes, it's been one of the previous meanings pre-internet. It's not anymore. Candy hearts are known as 'conversation hearts', not because they carry outdated romantic acronyms, but because they carry short modern messages you get from young people, usually things you'd be more likely to hear in instant messaging. That includes acronyms like 'LOL', 'BFF', 'WOOT', 'UR A 10', O HAI, 'Tweet me', 'Email me', and yes, even ROTFL.

I don't mean to be ageist, but no young person would ever interpret LOL as 'lots of love'. This article is undoubtedly about LOL for the meaning 'Laugh out Loud', and not about 'lots of love', and the LOL on that candy heart means LOL in the modern usage. I doubt someone took a picture of a decades old candy.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 06:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Have to agree with above, nobody and I mean NOBODY I know under the age of 40 interprets LOL as 'lots of love'. So yes, I'd say that unless that candy is about 20 years old or something like that, I'm still convinced it's using the term of laugh out loud. - Another n00b (talk) 22:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Greymolly, 4 August 2011

Under "Variants," item "trololol," the word portmanteu should be spelled portmanteau.

Greymolly (talk) 18:34, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done-- Obsidi♠n Soul 18:38, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

disambiguation?

LMFAO is the name of a music group that did the pop/hip hop song Party Rock Anthem. looking up 'LMFAO' redirects directly to here. 169.235.8.53 (talk) 19:12, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

lol can be used differently

LOL--- laugh out loud, laughing out loud, also, LOTS OF LAUGH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.1.242.83 (talk) 14:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

LOL kan også bety Lyt og lær — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oysteinsol (talk • contribs) 18:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

LMFAO redirect

So no Wiki gimp's ever thought: "Oh, there's no way of getting to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMFAO_%28band%29 page - neither on the links at the top of the LOL article and not on a disambiguation page... typical Internet meme obsessed geek losers. Jesus Christ. And no I don't give a shit about LMFAO but it shows the intelligence of the morons that waste their lives policing wikipedia pages... 86.150.112.102 (talk) 23:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice way to say "Please make the band I'm obsessed over more visible!" -- Obsidi♠n Soul 07:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

LOL

In-game language where it bassically started means Lots of laughs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francobr9 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

lol

lol is a great word! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.132.248 (talk) 18:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

IMHO

this page is wrong, every time i've seen or used the term "imho" it has meant "in my honest opinion" not "in my humble opinion", that's just ridiculous as whoever wrote this article obviously has never been trolled before, or talked to anyone random on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.145.69.46 (talk) 17:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

LOL Salaam

Kindly include the new term 'LOL Salaam' mentioned by Mrittunjoy Guha Majumdar in his Youth-Ki-Awaaz article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrittunjoyGM (talk • contribs) 07:13, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

lol = lots of laughs

lol also means lots of laughs put that in the article too please --Pikachu896 (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

BWL

There is an assertion in the lead that "BWL" is used to express "Bursting with laughter." The citation is for a "For Dummies"-type Windows XP manual: http://www.amazon.com/little-PC-Book-Windows-XP/dp/0201754703. Is there a better source than a 10-year-old handbook dealing with an obsolete OS? "BWL" is definitely not one of the ubiquitous internet acronyms. Perhaps it was once common in a niche group, but I suspect that it was created by the author of that manual, lol (hah! I didn't even do that on purpose!). Its juxtaposition with the still-widely-used "LOL" and "LMAO" and "ROFL" in the lead is kind of jarring. I propose removal or relocation (down to 4.1:Variants of LOL maybe, though I think even that is overly generous). 184.38.76.247 (talk) 06:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

LOL

LOL came from Yahoo. In the very first chat rooms it was used because of the keyboard typing in lol was easier than typing in haha. The whole idea was to shorten words. Today people believe it stands for laugh out loud, but in it's beginning it was "Laugh On Line" it was a short cut in words and a way to talk on line. brb was another one that came from yahoo chat, meaning "be right back". Also it did not matter how you typed it in, meaning using caps or not. Some people used caps all the time for every word some didn't. 76.7.204.21 (talk) 13:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipidea lol

what a great word 88.104.132.252 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Hoax?

"lshidmt: Laughing so hard I drop my taco" looks like a hoax to me. I've never seen this used and can't find a reference for it. --Twyndylyng (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: It's flagged as needing a citation and it is easily googled. Celestra (talk) 23:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect Caption

Actually, the LOL on the candy stands for "lots of love"-- one of the variations of "LOL" listed-- and not "laugh out loud" which would simply be cruel in the context of a Valentine's Day candy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.78.167 (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Sweetheart candy: isn't it saying "Lots of Love" ?

The caption for the Sweethearts candy says it stands for "Laughing out loud". But in the context of a heart-shaped candy of a type often given for Valentine's Day, isn't LOL much more likely to stand for "Lots of love"?

It would help to have a picture that better supports the "Laugh(ing) out loud" meaning. Any ideas?

This has been explained again and again. Modern sweethearts candies features IM messages. This is more obvious when you realize that Sweethearts candies also feature other initialisms related to LOL that are unambiguously about laughing, including 'ROFL' and smiley faces. No modern IM messages that I know of use LOL for "Lots of Love". In fact, I don't know of any instances of anyone in this century who will interpret LOL as "Lots of Love".-- Obsidi♠n Soul 19:35, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I understand the smiley, and I'd think lots of love make sense in the context of valentine's day candy, but "ROFL"? I think that's a bit out there trying to be "hip" and whatnot. I'd think laughing at someone via heart-shaped candy is more a mockery than anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.78.167 (talk) 16:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: Needless punctuation in the Acceptance section

The second (one-line) paragraph of the section titled Acceptance has a full stop and a comma before the references. The comma should be removed. --147.188.195.142 (talk) 20:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Done Thanks for reporting the problem, I have removed the comma. Keith D (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

problem the responsible

advanced . to recent changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.166.148.65 (talk) 00:50, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

lolgate

UK premier David Cameron is being mocked for thinking LOL meant 'lots of love'. Back in the day 1990s that was one of the meanings. And many early adopters like myself wanted it to mean lots of love and still refuse to use it to mean laugh out loud to this day. The first time I was exposed to it, I was told it meant lots of laughs. The reason we wanted it to be lots of love was because we felt it devalued emoticons like :-D. If one was to look at the Netlingo books published in the 1990s one can see it was allowable to use either 'laugh out loud' or 'lots of laughs'. This dictionary is online also, at the definitions are the same [2]. This should be reflected in the article as the Noobs who wrote this article don't own the Internet, they should learn their history! --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 16:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

lol

Well im an internet gamer and i use lol all of the time. There are many differant things you can use as slang and people often use slang in there online games. LOL and lol usally have very differant meanings. When people say LOL it's usally ment to mean its more funny than just saying lol. Useing caps can be used as a way of shouting e.g. you fool or in caps YOU FOOL. Other slang used online is rofl, lmao, lmfao, wtf, gf (get F@@@), gf (girl friend), gf (good friend),brb (be right back), bbl (be back later, afk and stfu. Faces can also be used as slang :)  :( -.- <('.'<).

Get FATATAT? LOL Kausill 06:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

You are epic. Colabcalub (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Your point is? This article is only about the abbreviation LOL.--Megaman en m (talk) 14:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Although you're right, you need to stop speaking like a retard and type properly or no one will listen to you. — Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

SO BASICALLY, LOL=LAUGH OUT LOUD :p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.254.165.250 (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

That made me LOL, ROFL, LMFAO, LMAO, Etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.32.56 (talk) 03:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC) It also stands for Lots of laughs <LOL!

LMAO also means...

In British/Scotish english LMAO means Laughing My Arse Off, just thought i should point that out. 78.33.175.201 (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I hate to look like a mean troll but, you don't say. Colabcalub (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

PMSL

PMSL (Pissed/Peed MySelf Laughing) should be added as a variant. It is very commonly used (at least in UK) as an intensified form of LOL (akin to ROFL), — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frweatherby (talk • contribs) 17:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"lots of love" - the source of amusement and ridicule

The (mis)undstanding that LOL can mean "lots of love" is now considered a reason for ridicule. During the Leveson Inquiry in the UK in May 2012 it became known that British Prime Minister, David Cameron, frequently sent text messages to Rebekah Brooks of News International, ending them LOL, believing this to mean "Lots of Love", until Ms Brookes informed him of his error. This revelation was the source of much amusement and ridicule: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/11/cameron-and-brooks-start-_n_1508817.html?1336739282&ref=uk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frweatherby (talk • contribs) 17:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Wrong Caption

UGH I'm too lazy to remember my login so can somebody fix the error. LOL on a heart means "lots of LOVE" not "LAUGH OUT LOUD." I mean, really, that would make no fuckin' sense!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.238.87 (talk) 06:11, 12 May 2012‎

 Done - oh duh, of course it means lots of love. I can't believe I missed that all the times before this when I read the article. - M0rphzone (talk) 07:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

ROFLCOPTER

Further information: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roflcopter and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roflcopter (again)

ROFLCOPTER redirects here but is never mentioned in the article— What's with that? ROFLCOPTER has its own little history in (if I remember correctly) World of Warcaft long after the creation of LOL, ROFL, ROFLMAO, or other any varient of such. ROFLCOPTER is also unique in that it not actually an acronym, but rather a base word, "copter" (presumebly from the word "helicopter"), mixed with the acronym prefix, "ROFL" ("Rolling On [The] Floor Laughing"), creating a word-acronym mix that (presumebly for asthetic purposes or for the convenience of not having to switch between capital letters and lower-case letters) is irregularly partially capitalized. Also note that "COPTER" does not stand for anything, as nothing would make sense, and because it is obviously part of the word "helicopter". As a theory of its origin or meaning, I think it may be a play on the common, though incorrect, pronounceation of "helicopter" as something along the lines of "hellocopter". Not sure where to go from there though. 70.184.239.162 (talk) 17:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

soi soi soi soi... maybe? Kausill (talk) 08:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

But if it's only used in WoW, does it belong here? --Thnidu (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not only in WoW, it's become more popular. Kausill (talk) 14:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

more popular wouldn't be the first to use it, there are great deal of Flash made things about. To give an idea, theres a game where you fly a 'roflcopter' Rofl.name let alone a shirt at ThinkGeek and there is much more stuff on it than there ever has been. And there's an article under Google news that uses it: BostonHerald Kalbintion (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You need to fucking get out more! "lolz" etc Basket _Feudalist 07:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

---

I won't change the above, but the term "roflcopter" was actually coined long before World of Warcraft in the days of Warcraft III Reign of Chaos. I was in a game and this human massed gyrocopters since they only cost 1 food per unit. After a long game of tower hit and run, he finally decided to hit my base with all of his gyrocopters. After losing my Great Hall, he proceeded to spam "roflcopter" as if he set it to copy+paste. I don't know where this person got the term from or if he/she created it theirself since it was the original WC3 about 8-9 years ago.---- anonypotamus

Edit request on 10 February 2013

It says that LOL is an abbreviation when it should say its an acronym CMTrago (talk) 00:51, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

It's so glaring, I suspect it's been changed and reverted before, for some reason. Cheers, and welcome. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 February 2013

In the section "Variants of LOL," I would like to suggest that you add "CTM" or "Chuckle to Myself." This has become a popular alternative for people who aren't convinced a joke is quite "lol" worthy, but still wish to express pleasure at what has been said or posted.

CTM is now on Urban Dictionary, as meaning "chuckle to myself," so it would be appropriate for Wikipedia to also reflect this new development in the English slang. Eringillett (talk) 21:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but we'd need a source that says CTM is widely used, and not only common in the particular circles you frequent. Urban Dictionary is editable by anyone and lacks editorial control, and is essentially a humor site, so we can't use that as a reference. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 11:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Perspective somewhat outdated

Not that I expect this to start a landslide of changes to the article, but it should be noted that a significant amount of the perspective throughout this article is now rather outdated. Many of the references are from 2001-2004, and a huge amount has changed in internet culture and its permeation into offline culture in the last 5 years, never mind the last decade. Numerous sections talk about 'lol' as though it were (still is) some kind of strange young people's trend, obscure and a pernicious blight on the English language. Others take the use of such terms rather stiffly and too seriously (as though it would not be rather obvious not to use internet slang in job applications and interviews - the same goes for any other kind of slang or less than 'professional' sounding vocabulary).

The article is also lacking mention of the various uses of 'lol'. It is rarely, in my experience, used as a literal communication that the speaker is 'laughing out loud'; rather, it is mostly (in my personal experience) used as a kind of interjection, to express humour, enjoyment or entertainment. As mentioned above, those wishing to express literal laughing out loud are more likely to use "LOL" or "lol!" to distinguish such an emphatic form, and even these forms do not necessarily mean literal laughter. I've experienced on dozens of occasions people saying "I am literally lolling in real life" or "actually lolling" for the purpose of making this very distinction. It is my personal experience and belief that the vast majority (perhaps ~99%) of all lolling online is not expressing actual audible laughter, and I've heard this same opinion expressed by many others. Lol is also often used in a number of other ways, including to express uncertainty ("lol..." or "lol?", closer in meaning to "huh?" or "what?"). Wiktionary also documents its use as an interjection that "denotes light-heartedness or that the thing just said was not intended as serious" - far from a literal expression of laughter.

Overall, the article seems to discuss 'lol' at arm's length, as though it were some kind of strange fad, used by an obscure clique of internet users. Perhaps at the time of writing, it was; but over the course of the last decade, it has become far more ubiquitous and widely used and accepted in mainstream culture. The article also features some outdated pieces and a little too much rigidity in places. Finally, 'lul' is not necessarily a *phonetic* spelling of 'lol' (only in some accents), and 'lolz' is not really an occasional form, so much as a common variant, which has also been documented (eg. in its Wiktionary entry) as often being used sarcastically. 'PMSL' (also in Wiktionary) might also want to be added to the list of similar terms.

It's not an ideal world. But, in an ideal world, the article should really be updated to reflect these developments. -- 146.90.169.236 (talk) 09:34, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

LOL (lol) Means "Laughing out loud" or "Laugh out loud".

By Popcorn0987654321.. Thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popcorn0987654321 (talk • contribs) 08:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 October 2013

Hiimaloladdict (talk) 21:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)actually it means League of Legends. You know the game created by the scrubs at riot.

That's another usage of the acronym "LOL", but is not what this article is about. League of Legends is linked from the disambiguation page linked at the top of this article. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 02:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Is LOL really laugh out loud, lots of laugh or sth.?

I am not sure but it seems like some said it is not how it begins, idk lol. --14.198.220.253 (talk) 14:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Please clarify what this has to do with the article. If you are proposing a change or addition, please be more clear about how you want to change it. Who are the "some" who "said" this, and what does "how it begins" refer to? What is so amusing about the question that you are laughing out loud about it? Please also note that there are many, many previous discussions about this issue above, and it might be worth your while to look at those before restarting the same discussion again - unless you have sources that aren't already presented. That would be excellent, of course. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 15:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

What's with your reading skill or you didn't read the article? If "laugh out loud" and "lots of laugh" are not the origin of LOL, then the article doesn't have to be changed? Your changes look disruptive to me.--14.198.220.253 (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I think this article should also include how lol can be an acroynym for league of legends, since that if you type lol into google, it shows league of legends before it shows this.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.185.71 (talk • contribs)

The article on League of Legends is getting many more views than this one (stats) so I've mentioned it in the disambiguation hatnote at the top of the article. Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 21:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2014

lwkmd is the Nigerian equivalent of lol. This initialism stands for 'laugh wan kill me die', Nigerian pidgin for 'I am dying of laughter'. K.Ekerete (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 01:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014

it is fake People2324 (talk) 03:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014

Add to variants: LÖL, dubbed the umlaugh, used to indicate ironic or satirical laughter. 2602:306:3BE3:D050:6991:5D36:D80A:1E61 (talk) 21:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mz7 (talk) 22:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2014

ok guys who thought of lawl? cuz i know it stands for laughing all week long... cuz i typed it and i want to know who else has typed it... tell the truth. XD i am a lawl master... ROLF.72.21.68.83 (talk) 15:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)–—°′″≈≠≤≥±×−÷←→·§XD72.21.68.83 (talk) 15:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

ololllololololol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuaruleslolol (talk • contribs) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2015

Change it to Trololol (and more lol's). 108.66.235.79 (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)  Not done. Amortias (T)(C) 22:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2015

Please remove the text "The term was supposedly first used by a Blizzard Entertainment moderator in the Warcraft III forum in 2003."

In the section Variants of LOL, roflcopter has a speculated origin of a Warcraft III forum circa 2003. However, I have a clear memory of seeing that used on mIRC as far back as the mid- to -late 90's. I'm not claiming that it originated on mIRC, but I'm quite sure it existed at the time I used mIRC in the mid- to late 90's (as did other variants such as LMAO; ROFL; ROFLMFAO; and lollerskates, which is also graphical in the same way roflcopter is). It was common at the time for people to use ASCII to create graphical representations in the IRC channels, leading to things like roflcopter and lollerskates. ArmelP (talk) 23:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done as there is no citation for the statement and hasn't been for years. Thanks --BZTMPS ★ · (talk? contribs?) 16:52, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

LOL

LOL means lots of love granny — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.215.162 (talk) 11:31, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2015

Add the fact that lol, or LOL, can relate to League of Legends Talvarez02 (talk) 04:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: This article seems to pertain exclusively to forms of "laughing out loud". There is no mention of any of the other things listed on the Lol (disambiguation) page, I see no reason to make a special exception for league of legends Cannolis (talk) 04:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

morse code is wrong

In "Pre-dating the Internet and phone texting by a century, the way to express laughter in morse code is 'hi hi'. The sound of this in morse, 'di-di-di-dit di-dit, di-di-di-dit di-dit', is thought to represent chuckling" it should be "dit-dit-dit-dit dit-dit, dit-dit-dit-dit dit-dit" (which is what both cited sources say, too). The current version looks like the morse code ...- .- (VA VA), not .... .. (HI HI). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.203.117.235 (talk) 05:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thought the same thing too, but then looked it up... [3]. Evidently, that's how it's supposed to be written. A dot in the middle of a letter is abbreviated di, not dit. Weird, huh? Suspender guy (talk) 14:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

It helps people new to morse get the spacing right. For dits together within a letter, you want short sounds with shorts spaces between them, the length of the spaces about the same as the length of the sounds. An ordinary person reading "di-di-di" will just about do this. The spacing between two letters is longer than a dit, and putting the t on the end automatically makes an ordinary reader do this about right too. --15:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2015

Please add "233" as one type of usage in China, because it is commonly used in China, far more than “哈哈”or “呵呵”. "233" is originally a code for a laughing emoticon in Mop.com, and then widely used as a network language. For added emphasis, extra "3"s can be appended, presented as shadows when one laughs so hard that rolls fast on the floor. KinaWon (talk) 09:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

The Internet and cats

Please swing by and help improve this new article! :D--Coin945 (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

ROFL NOT ROFTL

seriously it's ROFL meaning roll on floor laughing, people think it is roftl because they think it is roll on THE floor laughing. not ROFTL (rolling on the floor laughing) that's just plain wrong. DUDE you are making an idiot of yourself. "not ROFTL (rolling on the floor laughing)" You got the meaning right but constantly got the abreviation wrong... so, to clarify, it's ROTFL. Not ROFTL, which would mean "rolling on floor the laughing".

ROFL you can't get it right all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speed assasin (talk • contribs) 09:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

If you find some published source that talks about ROFL, Wikipedia can use material from encyclopedia-quality sources but not material from our own experience or impressions. I agree that ROTFL is uncommon/non-existent in the chat circles I know about online. But I just did a Google news search -- ROTFL and ROFL are still about equally common in currently published media. betsythedevine (talk) 14:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Its ROFL, and why doesn't ROFL have its own entry. As for source, go to any gaming server and ask.... ROFTL is WRONG! Tha dictionary --Rootbeerjunky (talk) 14:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

If any real media writer is reading these pages, why not write an article on the ROFL wars? (See similar comments by different people also on the talk page for Internet slang.) Then we could have what Wikipedia considers a verifiable source for the shades of nuance and use in different communities of ROTF (oldest), ROTFL (which seems to have a monopoly in scholarly articles on the subject), and ROFL, which many enthusiasts say here is now the standard. Google News searches turn up current usage of both ROTFL and ROFL. betsythedevine (talk) 18:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

• • All hail Google. No siriously, being a dedicated gamer ROTFL is like ancient, old and for n00bies. Its ROFL, but then again I do agree it could be based on online community what abbreviation they use. I do not think Wikipedia could handle Leet or gaming slang/terminology. You are kidding about scholarly articles about ROFL are you???--Rootbeerjunky (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, there are tons of scholarly papers written in the field of linguistics, and some at least talk about internet slang. For example, this article, which has ROTFL rather than ROFL. [4] betsythedevine (talk) 23:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Linguistically, it is fairly common for abbreviations to exclude the letter 'T' when it stands for 'the'. Similarly, 'A' is often not put into abbreviations when an 'and' exists in the sentence. Also, google search shows some 16 million more results for "ROFL" than "ROTFL", implying that the former is now the common standard. Greg ^{(t • c)} 11:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

i can assure you that ROFL is more commonly used IN GAMING AND NORMAL SPEECH. in the media, it may, be just as common to come across ROTFL as ROFL but this is NOT true as such in gaming (where abbreviations such as this are most common.) you may also notice that, in many spell checks, "ROFL" doesn't get marked as an incorrect spelling where as "ROTFL" DOES!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.152.185 (talk) 11:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, it's not ROFTL (rollin on floor the laughing). LOL. Kausill (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

However an extended version "ROTFLOL" (Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud, why the "the" is capitalised I don't know) has entered usage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.146.37 (talk) 22:35, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree fully. My friends and I only ever use ROFL. If someone says ROTFL we usually reply saying that it's outdated. ROFL is the correct verson of Rolling on the floor laughing. Just like in USA we forget the "of". The same goes for ROFL except we forget the "the". Ratkinzluver33 (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree that ROFL is now the norm, but ROTFL should be listed as a variant. (I think there's a typo)Vince (talk) 13:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Something called 233 in China

Well, "233" is a code of a emoticon used in a BBS called MOP in China. This became famous since 2010. The emoticon reffed to this number shows that the mascot of the BBS laughing heavily with hitting the floor. I think that this is similar to "XD" in English, which the amount of D is limitless. It often be used like this:233333333333333 (Amused or sarcasing) . May I add this to this page after 10 days (because I've just registered)? Thanks if anyone could help me.Crenky (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2015 (UTC) Uh I just founded this has been discussed before I do. Sorry for that. But if anyone wonders about links, here is one (in Chinese): http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=233&fr=ala0&tpl=5 (I'm not sure if I can use links like this.) Anyway, pages in this has shown the common use of 233. THX.Crenky (talk) 16:08, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Redirect of 'fucking kek'?

I am not totally familiar with Wikipedia policy. Would redirecting the term 'fucking kek' to this page be acceptable here? Andiar.rohnds (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2016

can i edit please?

06:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)06:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)06:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)~

POOLOO10 (talk) 06:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

 Not done No specific request. IPs cannot edit this article. You may request a change to the article. Meters (talk) 06:28, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Not sure why this his permanently protected. I'll raise the issue. Meters (talk) 06:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Hebrew LOLs

As a Hebrew speaking Israeli who surfs the internet on a daily basis I've never witnessed the use of "ההה" as the equivalent of lol. "חחח", on the other hand, is indeed very popular. As for the use of "לול", I have an explanation of why it isn't common. "לול" can be read as "lol", but also as "lul". "Lul" in Hebrew means "chicken coop". This is because the "u" and "o" vowels in Hebrew can both be written with the same letter. I hope my explanation is good enough... :)

Whoever wrote this, please sign this. Also, in the Hebrew version of Wikipedia or the Israel part, LOL is determined by the language. TDMfan23! (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

LOL and irony punctuation

LOL often serves in messaging - for example in Facebook posts - to indicate irony in a statement. For example "Hope you had a good time at the Dentists. LOL" There should be a cross reference to the article on Irony Punctuation.

Frweatherby (talk) August 6, 2012 (UTC)

There shouldn't, it's irrelevant. Sorry for the late reply... of four years. TDMfan23! (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Is the Analysis section necessary?

It sounds like a persuasive essay on why you shouldn't use internet slang acronyms for professional or business reports/papers. Highly unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.113.87 (talk) 10:00, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2017

Remove the analysis section.

Sounds like an opinion piece or a persuasive essay on why you don't use LOL in professional settings. The section is also poorly written and hard to read.

Alternatively, rename the section to clarify it's about why you shouldn't use LOL in a professional setting. Qwook (talk) 10:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. st170e 13:51, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2017

66.203.38.35 (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2017 (UTC) please dude pleasa

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 16:53, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2017

lolololololol9olollolololololololololololololoolololololollololololollololoolololololololololololololoolol69ol0ollololloolololololol6olololllolo6llololololol0peni 74.15.242.238 (talk) 16:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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Unicode emoji

U+1F923 🤣 — Rolling On The Floor Laughing
-Mardus /talk 20:35, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2017

Add this:

While LOL originally meant 'laugh out loud' during it's early days as 1337speak (leetspeak) by dedicated computer geeks who represented a fairly small and somewhat secret society who were often insulted by anti-geek bullies who did not know how to use computers, LOL has come to indicate a red-flag of sheepleness, and it has indeed been the bullies themselves who have taken to using it even after their cruelty towards the geeks who had good reason to make use of the term. Without apology, the low life bullies simply jumped on the band wagon and embraced geek-culture as computers and the internet forced their change in behaviour as they followed the mob to remain mainstream. LOL now means 'Locked Out Loser', referring to anyone who ever writes it, as they have been 'locked out' of Geekdom and are not invited to pretend they were ever part of our club. People who write 'lol' are the epitome of what it means to be a sheep-like follower with nothing to contribute of any worth to society, and so they are deemed losers by the original Geeks who used such code as a fun and secret method of communication. Indeed, anyone who chooses to continue this sickly trend even now is a locked out loser as well, because it should be clear how much bullying was endured by geeks before their interests became mainstream, and the use of 'lol' even without this insight is clearly a cry for others to believe that the author is a follower of popular culture without any edge or identity, and thus a loser before deeper matters are even considered. Zxen3 (talk) 22:43, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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Agreed - the TOPKEK "origin" here seems to be dramatically pre-dated by World of Warcraft. TOPKEK didn't come into vogue until 2013, putting it some 9 years after WoW. 204.10.247.1 (talk) 18:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2018

Oratile badirwang (talk) 10:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The real meaning of LOL is Lucifer Our Lord. Many people use LOL when talking to each other especially on Facebook,Whatsapp,Twitter and they don't know the real meaning. When busy saying LOL means that you are provoking the devil to have power over the people of God. Now the short abbreviation you should use now is LAWL it's better because the devil will not be provoked.

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kek

As the page is protected, can someone modify the 'kek' reference that is currently about an uncited meme to that it came from the horde to alliance translation for 'lol' in World of Warcraft, this is verifiable by anyone with a Warcraft account and has been a thing since the games launch. Shadow4742 (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2018

Please change [48] "Learning to laugh and smile online…". Brazilian Portuguese from Semantica. Retrieved April 9, 2011 permanent dead link and redirect to https://www.semantica-portuguese.com/learning-to-laugh-and-smile-online-1006/ SarahAnneFleming (talk) 15:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done  Ivecos (t) 16:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Laugh Out Loud

Laugh Out Loud i.e Lol term used for humor, funny stuffs, jokes, comedy things which makes people Laugh. People use always lol word in text, messaging , chatting to show its laughing out loud. Now days the use lol word is often in chatting.

Ref- http://www.laughoutloud.fun — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaughOutLoud55 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Pasha Keroll-(Паша Кероль)

Pasha Keroll (настоящее имя — Павел Олегович Чекин, род. 28 сентебря 2005 года в Могилёве , Белорусь ) — певец. ₧₧ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pasha Keroll (talk • contribs) 19:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)