Talk:Lüderitz

Renaming

In a classic Wikpedian attempt to keep up to date, this article is turning into a mess. Firstly, we need to use the same name consistently throughout the article. Secondly, if we're using a new name, then the article should be moved to that name. Thirdly, no-one seems sure what the new name should be: the German wikipedia has !Nami≠Nüs, our article at the time of writing has ǂNaminus, and the Guardian article has !Nami=Nüs. I have no personal opinion on what name we should use, but someone who either a) knows which is right, or b) cares enough to do something about it consistently, please go for it. Henry^Flower 14:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

The Government of Namibia's website still has the old place names listed and no official statement of the name changes. I'd suggest that until something more official occurs that the name should still be Lüderitz. There could be mention of the announcement though in a separate section to cover it. --Nicholas Perkins (T•C) 03:32, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

In the case of Schuckmannsburg the case is clear, the president specifically requested that maps be changed. Now, Schuckmannsburg is a 600-people hamlet, not one of Namibia's biggest and best-known towns, and he did not specifically request map changes for Luderitz, not sure what that means. Maybe best not to move the article just now. Pretoria was renamed years ago and hasn't been moved, as the old name is still the predominant one. I could imagine that the same happens with Luederitz.

As for the spelling, the online newspaper versions are not very careful with typesetting. I will be back in Namibia tomorrow and look at the printed versions; they usually get it right. !Nami=Nüs is impossible (no '=' in Khoekhoe), and I have not seen an 'ü' before in any of their names. Maybe ui. --Pgallert (talk) 08:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The IP got it right in their most recent edit, it is ǃNamiǂNûs. Online and offline newspapers often use the 'ü' for a lack of the special character 'û'. The change looks pretty much permanent to me, but we can wait a few more weeks before moving---for as long as only the resident Germans complain, and complain for the reason that the new name is impossible to pronounce, there isn't anything going to happen. Not least because the local non-Germans have trouble pronouncing the 'ü' in Lüderitz. --Pgallert (talk) 07:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The town has not been renamed: ″Attorney General Albert Kawana yesterday admitted that they had not yet finalised the renaming of the town. Kawana who is also the Minister of Presidential Affairs however rejected claims that the President has no powers to change town names. He said the President will complete the renaming of the town by scheduling an amendment of two Acts, namely the the Local Authorities Act and the Townships and Division of Land Ordinance Act in order to rename the town.″ (http://www.namibian.com.na/indexx.php?id=2733&page_type=story_detail) --Q-ß (talk) 20:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

And that means, letterheads haven't been reprinted, traffic signs haven't been updated, and so on. The president has renamed the town---removing the references for that won't change much. Government might now be rowing back in the face of criticism, the AZ article certainly reads like that. Whether the ultra-conservative German-language newspaper can be a reliable source for or against the renaming of Lüderitz to ǃNamiǂNûs, is a different question altogether. --Pgallert (talk) 11:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The president does not have the right to change the name of a city. Therefore, de jure the name of the city has never been changed. According to the Namibian Press Agency, ″the whole issue has been misunderstood″ (http://www.nampa.org/index.php?model=headline&function=display&text_id=5941616). --Q-ß (talk) 21:09, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Population details & demographics?

No population or census breakdown with demographics and ethnic breakdown? I would be interested to know how many people are European/German background and how many are of African background but it doesnt mention this at all --Mezaco (talk) 18:03, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The Namibian census does not ask for ethnicity, so this kind of information might never be collected. I would guess that 500-1,000 'Buchters' are white, if that's what you mean, but the majority of them carry a Namibian passport and are thus African. --Pgallert (talk) 18:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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