Talk:Kulin nation

What is this exactly?

What is the Kulin nation exactly? When did it come into being? Who runs it? What is it's history? Some info would be nice... --Commking 02:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC) It is hard to see how this can be called a nation when there is zero evidence of any sort of governance - tribal confederacy would probably be too generous also. It seems it is more of a language group, with some interbreeding etc, but no real identity as a unitary or even federated political group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.29.176.137 (talk) 01:06, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Geographic extent

Does anyone know enough to work out what should be changed? The first paragraph says Their collective territory extend across Victoria, Eastern South Australia and Far Western New South Wales. The second paragraph says two groups, and provides links to articles which only extend west to Streatham, east to the Yarra Valley and north to the Goulburn Valley, all in central Victoria. Either there are other groups that should be counted as part of the Kulin Nation, or the geographic extent should be narrowed to Central Victoria. There's a map at Taungurong which should also be on this article if it is accurate. Thank you. --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:07, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

I could not find any references for such a large area for the Kulin people. I checked the article history and found it was significantly changed in August. I have reverted to the version with a map that covers only the area surrounding Port Phillip. My apologies if I rolled back an important edit and failed to put it back. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 25 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 04:13, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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Kulin people → Kulin nation – This page is about the political and geographical alliance of the five nations that constitute the collective 'Kulin Nation', rather than the 'Kulin people', which is rarely used as an identifying label anyway. This alliance is referred to formally as the Kulin nation by its members, and in general discussion. Government and local council websites also use this name. The first sentence of this page also immediately refers to the 'Kulin nation', rightly so, as this is what the article is about. Further evidence is the page's 'About' section which states that it "is about the Australian Aboriginal nation." This change would make the focus of the page much clearer.

References

– Espermela (talk) 06:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 18:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support Sounds common title enough per quick search in Google. Mohanabhil (talk) 14:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose the naming convention on Wikipedia is to use X people, Xians or Xs. Even when they are a nation and have a state, in the case of Austrians or Czechs. (t · c) buidhe 02:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

  @Buidhe: Is this not like Cherokee Nation or Great Sioux Nation more than the cases you have referenced? It would seem that the content specific to the people is actually found at either Indigenous Australians or Aboriginal Australians, which follows the convention you refer to. -2pou (talk) 17:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support as the case that using "X people" doesn't appear to apply to this article. This article (as written now) is about the alliance of five separate tribes of people, and those tribes are made up of indigenous Australians (satisfying the aforementioned "Xians" title convention). Each tribe also has its own separate article refering to its people as being indigenous/Aboriginal Australians, not Kulan people. -2pou (talk) 05:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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