Talk:Krotoa

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 October 2018 and 15 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Mboehnke1.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 01:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Krotoa's name

For consistency’s sake, I have changed all mentions of Krotoa’s name in the article from “Eva” to “Krotoa” (when appropriate). I believe that future additions and edits should follow this format as this is the way she is most commonly referred to in contemporary scholarly literature (and because it’s the title of the article).

In addition, there appears to be some disagreement over when Krotoa was actually given the name “Eva.” The current page states that it was after her marriage in 1664, although the proper citation source is not given. On the other hand, other articles have claimed it was during her time in the Van Riebeeck household (http://blog.oup.com/2009/05/south-africa/) or after her baptism in 1662 (http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/krotoa). Is there any clarification on this issue?

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Krotoa. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060924180238/http://www.robben-island.org.za/departments/heritage/gallery/krotoa.asp to http://www.robben-island.org.za/departments/heritage/gallery/krotoa.asp

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Image

Study of a woman, by Samuel Daniell

The plaque next to this image in the William Fehr Collection states, that it is often used by contemporary (meaning, of today) artists to create representations of Krotoa. In other words. It is not a representation for the time of the life of Krotoa. But today may be found many images of Krotoa with this likeness. I am hesitant to add it to the article. Would suggest it only, if there is an explanation that this is only a later impression of her and not how she actually looked. On the other hand, how many images of people and actions we use on Wikipedia are really contemporary to the time they are supposed to represent? --Wuselig (talk) 19:05, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I think we should just use it - as long as it is clear that it is a representation of a figure rather than an actual contemporary depiction. I have seen this done on other pages on historical figures and this particular depiction is now widely used e.g. on book covers and even on a South African postage stamp. Francoisdjvr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Khoi or San

In the introduction she's described as Khoi but in the Strandlopers article they are described as 'San-derived'. 105.186.220.120 (talk) 11:18, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

page introduction

This page is difficult to read. It starts with words that are not in the English language, but does not explain this. It would appear that the introductory article is setting out a hypothesis that Krotoa was not her name, but meant "ward girl". This is an interesting piece of information that, with relevant citations, should remain on the page. However, I think that this is currently muddled as it is in the initial biographical introduction. My view is that the page should start with an easy-to-read basic introduction along these lines:

" Krotoa, also known by the Dutch name Eva, was the first Khoe-speaking woman to appear by name in early European records of the settlement at Cape Town.[3] She was a member of the Goringhaicona tribe, who lived in the Cape peninsular when European colonists arrived. She was a niece of the tribal leader Autshumao. As a child, she became a companion to the wife of Jan Van Riebeeck. Her language abilities caused her to become an invaluable translator between the different communities living in the Cape in the late 17th century. She is the ancestor of a number prominent South Africans."

The paragraph about the meaning of Krotoa could then be included after the introduction and other Khoe language within the article could be more clearly explained for the non-Khoe speaking reader. I would appreciate some opinions on this before making such a change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acirsa (talk • contribs) 12:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)