Talk:Kris Kristofferson

Number of Children

The linked source for his children is a bad link and nothing I can find mentions the 9th child “from his time as a helicopter pilot in Germany.” Source? 2601:405:4A80:43E0:D12D:F201:8B9E:4BE1 (talk) 04:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Unreliable Lyme claims

I reverted medical claims not supported by reliable medical sources. There has been discussion on Kristofferson's treatment by unreliable practitioners on this talk page. David Gorski calls Kristofferson the "latest celebrity quackery victim".

There is no source I've seen supporting a claim that "In 2006, Kristofferson was diagnosed with Lyme disease". Additionally, the "functional medicine" doctor (who works for Amen Clinics and who is not a neurologist) who diagnosed Kristofferson admits the initial Lyme testing was negative and his "treatment" started in 2016. Experts found no good evidence to support claims that Lyme disease causes Alzheimer's. Experts also agree "Immunoglobulin G (IgG) seronegativity in an untreated patient with months to years of symptoms essentially rules out the diagnosis of Lyme disease, barring laboratory error or a rare humoral immunodeficiency state." ScienceFlyer (talk) 04:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Retronymster Thank you for your good faith efforts to improve this article. However, I still see no reliable medical source for your continued reverts. You write Brought back edit that ScienceFlyer deleted due to false reasoning that CBS News is an unreliable source.

I did not say that CBS News was an unreliable source. However, the particular article is churnalism and relies entirely on reporting by Rolling Stone and British tabloid Closer magazine. Additionally, all my criticisms above still stand. As I wrote on your talk page: Where is there any source saying he was diagnosed with Lyme disease in 2006? Where is any reliable medical source saying he had Lyme disease at all? Where is any reliable medical source supporting that long-term memory loss is caused by Lyme disease? ScienceFlyer (talk) 16:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Lyme Disease - revisited

Hello. I would like to discuss some potential sources we can use for Kristofferson's Lyme disease diagnosis. The first few sources I came across – Alzheimer's Weekly, The Lyme Times, MSN, Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation, Taste of Country and Twin Cities PBS – all mention that his Alzheimer's disease misdiagnosis and memory loss was actually caused by Lyme disease. If there are any other reliable medical sources we can find as per WP:MEDRS, please let me know here. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@ScienceFlyer: The main Lyme disease article states that Lyme disease can cause memory problems, so I dont think we need another source for that claim in this article. Sjones23 (talk · contribs) just change (from the earlier reverted edit) "which can cause neurological deficits and “brain fog”" to state "which can cause memory problems”. Second we do not need MEDRS to say a celebrity was diagnosed with something, that is absurd. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 01:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf @Sjones23 Has anything changed since last year when I looked into it and traced the origin of the claims that have been repeated in the media? Kristofferson and his wife were convinced by a "functional medicine" doctor to ignore a negative test. David Gorski's post is more reliable than Kristofferson and his doctor, per WP:PARITY.

@Jtbobwaysf I think the Lyme disease article's characterization in the lead was misleading, so I edited it. Regardless, since Kristofferson's test ruled out Lyme disease, it's irrelevant either way. Both Jenny McCarthy's claim of vaccines causing her son's autism and Kristofferson's claim of Lyme disease causing his memory loss are contradicted by evidence. Wikipedia cannot legitimize discredited claims. ScienceFlyer (talk) 02:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

For reference, the previous Lyme disease discussions can be found in this archive. Also, do you guys think we should consider removing the memory loss mention altogether per WP:BLP, bring it up on WP:BLP/N for further opinions, or are those unneeded at this point? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

We can always attribute the medical claims as they are in the sources, that is always the preferred approach. If RS cover it then we can include it. Calling MEDRS on this is absurd. My comment was more about the MEDRS claim than if it has due weight for the lead. If you dont think its due in the lead then put it in the body. If the two of them make these claims and they are covered in the RS, then we can include them, you WP:OR about if they are right or wrong in their self-diagnosis has no bearing here. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 03:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I've alerted the WP:BLP noticeboard to this matter. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sjones23 As discussed previously, Kristofferson's Lyme disease diagnosis was not "confirmed via WP:RS". I have added a fact check. ScienceFlyer (talk) 16:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, is Gorski's criticism of Kristofferson's diagnosis not mentioned in the news coverage? Also, while I removed the Lyme disease paragraph altogether for now as per the relevant policies at WP:BLP, Wikipedia's role is to report what reliable sources (such as Rolling Stone, Global, MSN, Taste of Country, PBS, etc.) say about the diagnosis, not evaluate the actual health claims, so unless these sources post a retraction, we should keep the information that is sourced to them. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Respectfulinsolence.com is a blog? Certainly we are not going to be using blogs to anchor BLP text that refers to quackery. Far off from an RS on a BLP. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)