Talk:Kosovo at the Olympics

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Before the declaration of independence, Kosovo was definitely a part of Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro and Serbia. did not participate - not true. Is not correct to say that did not participate in that period, because there was not Kosovo as an independent entity. It doesn't matter that Olympic Committee was established in 1992. For example, Catalonia has unrecognized Olympic Committee and it would not be correct to say that athletes from Catalonia not competing, but that they compete under the Spanish flag. Sportpersons from Kosovo were able to compete under the flag of Serbia (and Montenegro) and this oportunity used by some athletes, but only by Serbs from Kosovo (Sonja Stolić, Miloš Krasić, Milan Biševac...). After declaration of independence and before recognition of Olympic Committee of Kosovo, Olympic Committee of Serbia invited athletes from Kosovo to join Serbian team and, again, this oportunity used only by Serbs from Kosovo (Milena Rašić). Kosovo has never been part of Albania, but the case with Majlinda Kelmendi is specific --Aca Srbin (talk) 11:19, 12 December 2014 (UCT)

I think you are wrong to say that we did participate under Serbian when only serbs from Kosovo do participate for Serbia so theirfore it is right to mention that Kosovo from 2008 and 2012 didn't participate since they weren't an NOC member at that time. So theirfore they didn't participate but were indenpendent since the 17th february in 2008 btw Kosovo being together with Albania in the World War two and been together history do to being both Albanian countries and the Majority Albanian, nice try but try it harder ;) You can't stop us anymore ! Prishtinë25 (talk) 00:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Stop politicizing the article!

Several editors are adding unnecessary political statements, such as 'invitations' or Kosovo's political status. Kosovo is a full member of the IOC, and is going to be represented as an independent country. So why add stupid politics to the article, when there's a settle categorical position by the IOC. --PjeterPeter (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Further more, Kosovo's participation is organized by the OCK only; meaning that the OCK did not participate under the Serbian flag from 1992 to 2014. --PjeterPeter (talk) 22:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Peter ju pershendes se Shqiptar i Kosoves , e kom luftu shume per me boh ket artikul i sakte dhe me informationet te mira.

Ishalla ju kom gzu me ndryshimet sa ma shume , ju boj fala ju uroj nje vite te mbare 2022 me plot sukses per ty dhe atdheun tonë ! Prishtinë25 (talk) 00:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Facts about Kosovo's other appearances

Kosovo's participation is organized by the Olympic Committee of Kosovo - which was not a member of the IOC from 1992-2014, meaning that Kosovo did not participate under any flag. The case for 2012 is different, as Majlinda tried to represent Kosovo but couldn't, meaning that the OCK de facto participated under the Albanian flag. --PjeterPeter (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Olympic Committe of Kosovo didn't exist legally before 2014, Kosovo was part of Serbia and Montenegro and Serbia after the break of Yugoslavia. NOC's of these states were the only legal NOCs that organized state's cometition at Olympic Games. In 2012 the only able Athlete of Albanian origin chose to participate under Albanian flag while athletes of Serbian origin born on Kosovo opted to represent Serbia. Catalan NOC exist as isn't officialy recognized, athletes participate under the flag of official state Spain. Athletes from Northern Ireland can chose either to represent Ireland or GB!

Kosovo participate under flag of Serbia (and Montenegro) as part of this country. After the declaration of independence, Kosovo is a partially recognised country, but it has independent Olympic team since 2014. Only then Kosovo's participation is organized by the Olympic Committee of Kosovo. Kosovar athletes are all athletes from Kosovo, Serbs or Albanians or any other. Athletes from Kosovo have participated under their recognized NOCs at that time, but only Serbs. Despite the invitation from the Serbian Olympic Committee, most Kosovo Albanians wanted to compete separately. OCS invited all athletes from Kosovo to join Serbian team. All athletes WERE ABLE to participate, but they did't want. OK, everybody know why, but that should appear in the text. --Aca Srbin (talk) 20:36, 17 December 2014 (UCT)

Keep the 'status' away.

Kosovo's appearance is about the Republic of Kosovo, not the disputed territory of Kosovo. The IOC has recognized the Rep. of Kosovo and they will participate under their flag, country and anthem. Status is not needed, when Kosovo will participate as an equal independent country.

Stop politicizing the page for *own national* reasons, please! This is about sports, not politics. --PjeterPeter (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

MEDAL TABLES

Since the table has been a controversy for many editors (mostly Albanian and Serbs), I have added a separate 'Former countries' or 'appearances' table, where the Kosovo-born athletes competed before the recognition, and I have added the medals won by these athletes.

If you have any knowledge about other medals won by Kosovar athletes, please add. Ah, and about the IOP in 1992, it's yet unknown if there was any Kosovar athlete since the OCK was already established, so a verification is needed.

Please avoid politicizing. Thank you! --PjeterPeter (talk) 13:36, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

No. No former countries go counting individually medals won when participating for other countries and then making misleading tables as ig they competed then as country. You add it in the prose with proper citations. Also, Albania should be removed from the infobox. Those related participations are just indicating that people from that territory were part of the qualifiers for the Olympics within X country. Just because some individual athlete competed for some other country is not reason for including that country as related participation, as that was his individual choice, and not because the territory of Kosovo participated within the qualifiers of Albania for the Olympics. FkpCascais (talk) 14:15, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

If you remove Albania from the infobox, you should remove Serbia as well, because Kosovo is de facto independent since 2008. --PjeterPeter (talk) 13:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Kosovo was never formally part of Albanian qualifiers for the Olympics. It was just Kelmendi on her own choice that competed under Albania, just as numerous athletes throughout the world switch nationality. FkpCascais (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Source about the 3 Players winning the Gold Medal in 1960.

User:Pipsally

The source given did confirm 2 claims.

1. Winning the Gold Medal.

2. Members who participated.*

You removed Point 1.

Any reasons for that?

* = Another section of the source.

--InNeed95 (talk) 20:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Because this statement is about these named players being part of the team so it's better to link to the team sheet

But anyway,that source is primary. We need a realiable secondary source for this that states they played and won the gold.

I've also edited the intro to that section for neutrality. It's not clear without sources that all these athletes would have considered themselves Kosovan. Indeed two of the three footballers are described as Serbian in their Wikipedia page, so "born in Kosovo" more neutral than Kosovan.Pipsally (talk) 04:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Pipsally:,

"Because this statement is about these named players being part of the team so it's better to link to the team sheet "

-Indirect. The change was not a improvement. The Team Sheet just mentiones the players and does not tell about the won Gold Medal. So yeah, not a Improvement.

As far as I know, all players (even subs) receive the Gold Medal.

Kosovan refers to people having their origins in Kosovo. Aswell as, people being citizins of the Rep. of Kosovo (as Kosovo was part of yugoslavia, the 2nd point is irrelevant here). I have nothing against your change on the text tho, since in the end, its the same just in different words (So no improvement, but nvm that).

--InNeed95 (talk) 09:47, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Sock reverts

@Jeff in CA, Prishtinë25 has been sock blocked. I was going to revert his and his IPs edits, but you've been editing here too and I'm not familiar enough with the subject matter. Have your reverts taken care of the sock's content issues? Let me know if you need admin action. Thanks! Star Mississippi 03:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi, today I reverted all of the edits that that user and apparent sock made from December 1 onward. I then performed some editorial cleanup. I believe the content issue is resolved.Jeff in CA (talk) 20:08, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I am keeping an eye on this article and the sock's other targets so hopefully whack a mole & the IP being blocked will keep things calm. Star Mississippi 20:21, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Luan Krasniqi

Luan Krasniqi was born in Yugoslavia (now Kosovo) in 1971. In 1987 he moved to Germany with his family. Krasniqi started boxing at the age of 16. His boxing-career began at the local BSV Rottweil, where he met Theo Kerekesch, a boxing trainer of high regard. Krasniqi was a German citizen when returned from the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta to Germany with the Bronze medal, Germany's first heavyweight medal since 1976. Mmaybe he was also a Yugoslav citizen at the time, but in no case a Kosovar citizen. In the cited source Krasniqi speaks of his "hometown" Rottweil, he does not mention his Kosovar origins at all. Krasniqi has as much to do with Kosovo as Johnny Weissmüller with Romania.--Kozarac (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Yugoslav citizens born in the SFRJ

Milutin Šoškić, Fahrudin Jusufi, and Vladimir Durković, those soccer players and other mentioned athletes took part as Yugoslav citizens. They had nothing to do with the Olympic Committee of Kosovo. What does Kosovan descent even mean?--Kozarac (talk) 14:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

1. They are all born in Kosovo and also are being raised. 2. We cannot only focus on the majority of Kosovo when also serbs, bosnians and roma living in Kosovo, also having their sporting history. So for you deleting this whole space doesn't make sense at all, almost every country has it's own space North Macedonia at the Olympics aswell as Bosnia, Montenegro and Serbia so why can't we mention our Olympics, this is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:1866:AEA0:70D4:F01:7B32:211B (talk) 02:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

3. In Israel at the Olympics it is the same example they mentioned rightly every athlete of Jewish descent, the same thing did i for Kosovo. So what is wrong here.

4. "Ágnes Keleti, who emigrated to Israel in 1957, holds more medals than any other Israeli citizen. During the 1952 and 1956 Summer Olympics Ágnes won 10 medals competing for Hungary at the Olympics.The only Jew to hold more medals than Keleti is American swimmer Mark Spitz, who won 11."

5. Even in Somalia at the Olympics they mentioned Mo Farah for his Olympic achievements with UK and nobody removed , because he is born in Somalia just like Luan Krasniqi is in Kosovo Fatmire Alushi also in Istog. Naim Terbunja is a well known swedish-kosovan boxing star, born in Prishtina.

6. Kosovare Asllani is also of Kosovo/Albanian descent do to her parents just like Agnes is jewish so this discussion is ending now, their is no need for deleting any of this space.

7. Everbody is entitled to include an history towards his own nation. In around atleast 10 Countries it is mentioned. So i dont see any change what so ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:1866:AEA0:70D4:F01:7B32:211B (talk) 02:59, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

The Olympic Committee of Kosovo (OCK) was created in 1992 and recognized by the International Olympic Committee on 9 December 2014. That is that!--Kozarac (talk) 10:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Milutin Šoškić, Fahrudin Jusufi, and Vladimir Durković,. All three were born in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.--Kozarac (talk) 11:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

So what? It's not as if that fact is disputed in this article. Ravenswing 02:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

1. In about every ex-yugoslavia country you can see everyone mentioning their medalists although every countries history is only about after the Balkan Wars. Croatia mentioned their medalists, Serbia aswell as Bosnia to. So why can't we Albanian mention our history what is wrong about that. It is isn't the first time you have something against Kosovo, but pleas leave the hate once aside or this page will get blocked and the last Edit stay the same...

Agnest Keleti isn't even born in Israel she is still mentioned at Israel at th Olympics and they do participate only since 1960 and? Every nation have it's own history for that you don't need the argumente of the Olympic Committee of Kosovo. As like the first sentence stand for they did participate under Yugoslavia and won some medala all of these people are born in Kosovo.

Stop deleting this space all the time i beg for Understatement towards this topic here i listed many reasons why you can't, and you didn't so the post stay the same.

The creation of the Olympic Committee dosen't indicate the history of a nation as Kosovo do have a long history in sports in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:1866:AEA0:70D4:F01:7B32:211B (talk) 12:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

• This is a disingenuous complaint. Kosovo is a full member of the IOC and internationally recognized by over a hundred nations. It is as reasonable to make references to its nationality, those of its descent and those of its citizenry as with any other nation, and just as reasonable to discuss in its history prominent Kosovar athletes who performed for Yugoslavia and other nations prior to its independence as any other. Ravenswing 02:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)