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Removed the following comments and list. What is this list? It seems to identify modern Kongu Nadu with the ancient Ganga territories.

Today's Kongunadu is politically weak though economically strong resulting in exploitation by outsiders. The region ruled by these kingdoms was known as the land of the Gangas (Kongus), by the last dynasty where native Gounders ruled, the language Gangee Tamil (Kongu Tamil) (Wilkins, History of Mysore) is spoken here. The information we get about these three states is mainly based on Tamil literature also called the 'Sangam literature'*1 and Kongudesarajakkal.

Countries of Kongu Nadu The countries comprising ancient Kongu Nadu are:

Poondurai Nadu - Erode & Thiruchengode
Thenkarai Nadu - Dharapuram & Karur
Kangeya Nadu - Dharapuram & Kankeyam
Pongalur Nadu - Palladam & Dharapuram
Arai Nadu - Kovai & Avanasi
Varakka Nadu - Palladam & Pollachi
Thiruvavinankudi Nadu - Palladam & Pollachi
Mana Nadu - South-West region of Karur Taluk
Thalaiyur Nadu - South& West regions of Karur
Thataiyur Nadu - Kuliththalai Taluk
Poovaniya Nadu - Omalur & Dharmapuri Taluks
Araya nadu - Erode & Namakkal
Oduvanga Nadu - Gobi Taluk
Vadakarai Nadu - Bhavani Taluk
Kilanku Nadu - Karur & Kulithalai Nadu
Nallurukka Nadu - Udumalaipettai
Vallavandi Nadu - Namakkal Northern part, Karur
Anda Nadu - Palani Taluk, Eastern Part
Venkala Nadu - Karur Taluk, Eastern Part
Kazalakkala Nadu - Pollachi Taluk
Annamalai Nadu - Pollachi South-West
Rasipura Nadu - Selam, Rasipuram, Kollimalai
Kangikovil Nadu - Gobi, Bhavani
Kurumbu Nadu - Vellakovil— Preceding unsigned comment added by Redheylin (talk • contribs) 2008-08-15T04:23:25 (UTC)

25 Saravana - pollachi117.197.201.16 (talk) 14:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

2 Thenkarai Nadu - Dharapuram & Karur— Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.203.26 (talk • contribs) 2009-08-04T08:05:53 (UTC)

21 Annamalai Nadu - Pollachi South-West— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.80.165 (talk • contribs) 2009-08-24T18:50:31 (UTC)

I guess above said reasons are non-realistic and gives more emphasis on Gounders, rather than broader humanity.As per reports Erode/Comibatore/Namakkal/Tirupur are more richer than any other places in TamilNadu and there is no vaild reason to create a seperate Kongu Nadu. What ever move towards KonguNadu is a pure political move by powerful Gounders in the area who talks tales of Cheras and Cholas who ruled the whole southern country 2000 years ago and same has no relevance to local population in recent years.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.221.133.211 (talk • contribs) 2010-01-21T10:53:38 (UTC)

Controversies in Claims of Kongu Nadu

Latest comment: 8 years ago9 comments7 people in discussion

The reasons quoted non-realistic and gives more emphasis on Gounders, rather than broader humanity.As per reports Erode/Comibatore/Namakkal/Tirupur are more richer than any other places in Tamil Nadu and there is no valid reason to create a seperate Kongu Nadu. What ever move towards Kongu Nadu is a pure political move by powerful Gounders in the area who talks tales of Cheras and Cholas who ruled the whole southern country 2000 years ago and has no relevance to local population in recent years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.221.133.211 (talk) 05:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Also the first settlers to kongu nadu apart from native Vettuvars (original gounders). Kongu vellalar(gounder title added laters) using thier higher authority are editting the history as though they were first settlers.Lot of Old age Temples are still giving the First Honour to Vettuvars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.75.192.195 (talk) 04:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

//Lot of Old age Temples are still giving the First Honour to Vettuvars.// which old age temples are giving first honour to vettuvars , who is kannapa nayanar linkage people ? what is means by vadugar? Perur Temple oldest in kongu nadu , and take kongu ellu sivan talangals temples which is sung in devaram, many chera build temple inculdeing palani temple etc.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.160.65 (talk) 22:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

and were does vettuvars have first honour — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.160.65 (talk) 22:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

First honours In temples

Eg from karur district

Kunguma kaliyamman ,athur soliyamman , Bala malai maruthai temple pugalimalai murugan temple.Which ever temples have vettuva bakthars will def give First Honours to them.

Also First Settlers to Kongu nadu is Vettuvars .Vellalars settled later only.Using the richness ,majority and authority Vellala gounders are editing the history

Here is the list of Sangam Vettuva Rulers

Venjaman ,Kaari , Kodumudi ,Valvil OOri etc Who had songs praised from sangam

None of Vellalars were found in sangam songs of Kongu

For more info ,read kongu varalaru by ramasami (a neutral treatise on kongu history) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.80.48.175 (talk) 13:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

kannapa nayanar linkage people ? what link between kannapa nayanar still u not answered this question

Kaari(kaari clan of kongu vellala gounder) ,Valvil OOri(velir king) , adiyaman velir king (adi kootam of kongu vellala gounders)

this is government department (Journal of Tamil studies, Volume 2,International Association of Tamil Research., 1970 peer reviewed journals

http://www.ulakaththamizh.org/ check out (state government,central government,unesco, govrnment takeing under quota )

"The Vēļāļar of the Tamil country (the descendants of the Vēļir) have retained the honorific till this day in their names (c.f gavundan and 'gouņder' "[ http://books.google.com/books?lr=&hl=fr&id=rWRkAAAAMAAJ&dq=velir+velalar&q=velalar#search_anchor ]

[1]

read the journal fully

all ancient velir chiefs and chera and cholas are also velir stock all belongs to kongu vellala gounder , pandyans are not belongs to velir clan but later(after 13 th century) they merged with pure vellala caste Kongu velir 7 a.d person( poet and king ) and written konvenmakathai (one of kapiyams in tamil ) and also incription of person along with chera king (2000 years old incription) all incription which found match with sangam chieftrains and kings ,like pittran kottran, korranthai ilavan ,adiyamans 2 nd C.E inscription about chera kings present,in that same inscription Korrantai (I*) lava (n) ,were present, Korrantai till this day ,clan of Korrantai present among kongu vellala gounder.

இவற்றில் கொற்றந்தை என்ற குடி இரண்டாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளாக திகழ்ந்து வருகிறது என அறிகிறோம். புகளூர் சேரமன்னன் கல்வெட்டின் அருகில் அதே கல்வெட்டில் கொற்றந்தை இளவன் என்பவன் [குறிக்கப்படுகிறான்]

check out tamil nadu archelogy website[ http://www.tnarch.gov.in/epi/ins1.htm ]

read here kongu history by Dr. R. Nagaswamy ,Director of Archaeology (Retired) Former Vice chancellor, Kanchipuram University , Ramachandran Nagaswamy, Dr. (b.1930) obtained Masters degree in Sanskrit language and literature (Madras) and Ph.D. in Indian Arts (Poona).

His Fields of specialization are: Art, Archaeology, Architecture, Literature, Epigraphy, Paleography, Numismatics, Temple rituals and philosophy, Ancient law and society, Music, Dance and South Asian Art.

Dr.R.N. served as Curator for Art and Archaeology, Madras Museum (1959-63) and later joined the Tamilnadu State Department of Archaeology as Assistant Special Officer (1963-65) and became the First Director of Archaeology of the State and held that post till retirement (1966-88). After retirement he headed the Epigraphy Program, EFEO Pondichery, and as Consultant, Government of India, Documentation of Cultural property Tanjavur Brahadisvara Project (UNDP program), under the Indira Gandhi National Center for the Arts .

Dr.R.N made Archaeology a very popular subject in Tamilnadu, especially among Children through publication of Pocket book guides. He was also responsible for involving several thousand School and College students in cleaning and preserving near by historical places and monuments. He also popularized monuments by bringing out popular guides in the form of News-paper, priced at ten paise per copy.

He was responsible for protecting several historic monuments like the First cent. Chera inscriptions at Pugalur, the Palace site of the the Imperial Cholas at Gangai-konda-cholapuram, the famous 17th cent Thirumalai Nayak palace at Madurai, the 17th cent, Danish Fort at Tranquebar, and the birth place of Great National Poet Subramanya Bharati at Ettayyapuram besides excavating the palace site of Virapandya-kattabomman at Pancalamkurchi.

Dr.R.N. piloted and directed the Sound and Light ("Son En Luminaire") program in the 17th cent. Thirumalai Nayak palace at Madurai. Nagaswamy was the first to carry out Under Sea Archaeological Survey off the Coast of Pumpuhar in Tamil nad.

An acknowledged International Expert on South Indian Bronzes, RN appeared as an Expert Witness in the London High Court, in the now famous London Nataraja case. The Judge of the London High Court, in his Judgement described Dr.Nagaswamy as an unequalled expert in his subject.

rest read about him over here[ http://www.tamilartsacademy.com/aboutrn.html ]

read kongu history written by him [ http://www.tamilartsacademy.com/journals/volume8/articles/article1.xml ]

கொங்கு நாடு உழுகுடிகளான வெள்ளாளர்கள் அதிகம் வாழ்கின்ற நாடு. வெள்ளாளப் பெருமக்களை கவுண்டர்கள் என அழைப்பது மரபு. அவர்களில் வெள்ளாளக் கவுணடர்கள் பொதுவாக கூறுவர். அவர்களைப் பற்றிய ஏராளமான செய்திகளை கொங்கு நாட்டுக் கல்வெட்டுகளில் காண்கிறோம். ஆயிரம் ஆண்டுகட்கு முந்திய கல்வெட்டுகளில் இப்பகுதியில் அவர்களே அதிகம் வாழ்ந்தார்கள் என்ற செய்தி வெளிப்படுகிறது. மற்ற குடியினர் இருந்தபோதிலும் வெள்ளாளர்களே நிறைந்து விளங்கிய பகுதி இது என ஐய்யம் திரிபற கல்வட்டுகள் வாயிலாக அறிகிறோம். அவர்கள் நிலச்சுவாந்தார்களாகவும், பொருள் படைத்தவர்களாகவும், பரந்தமனப்பான்மை படைத்தவர்களாகவும் திகழ்ந்து இருக்கிறார்கள். நம் கோயில்களைக்கட்டி திருப்பணிகளைச்செய்து ஏராளமான பொருள்களை அளித்து காத்தவர்கள் இவர்களே, எனக்கல்வெட்டுகள் காட்டுகின்றன

கொங்கு நாட்டுக் கல்வெட்டுகளில் பதினாறுக்கும் மேற்பட்ட குடிப்பிரிவுகள் குறிக்கப்படுகின்றன. கொற்றந்தை குலம், மலையர், பைய்யர், பிள்ளந்தை, போன்ற குலப்பெயர்கள் காணப்படுகின்றன. இவற்றில் கொற்றந்தை என்ற குடி இரண்டாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளாக திகழ்ந்து வருகிறது என அறிகிறோம். புகளூர் சேரமன்னன் கல்வெட்டின் அருகில் அதே கல்வெட்டில் கொற்றந்தை இளவன் என்பவன் [குறிக்கப்படுகிறான்]

கொங்கு நாட்டு வேளாளர் குடிகளில் மேலும் சில பிரிவுகளும் உள்ளன. சேட்டர், விச்சர், உட்டமர், வகையர், என்ற பிற பெயர்களும் கல்வெட்டுகளில் கானப்படுகின்றன. வேறு சிலர் மாடை, வெள்ளெலி, முட்டை, ஊகை, கருன்தொழி என்றும் அழைக்கப்பட்டனர். கோவில் பாளையம் கல்வெட்டில் வெள்ளாளன் புல்லிகளில் கோவன் இருடன் ஆன இராஜ நாராயண காமுண்டன் என்பவன் குறிக்கப்படுகிறான். இடிகரைக் கல்வெட்டில் "வெள்ளாளன் மலையரில் சோழக்கமுண்டன் மன்றாடி" குறிக்கப்பெறுகிறான். இக்கல்வெட்டு 1275ல் விக்கிரமசோழன் கல்வெட்டில் குறிக்கப்படுவதாகும். கடத்தூர் கல்வெட்டில் 1222ல் வீரராஜேந்திரசோழன் காலத்தில் "வெள்ளாளன் குமரன் குமரனான தனஞ்செய பல்லவரையன்" குறிக்கப்பெறுகிறான். இங்கு பல்லவரையன் என்பது பட்டப்பெயர் என்பது தெளிவு

கல்வெட்டுகளில் வெள்ளாளரைப்பற்றிக் கூறும்போது முதலில் அவன் வெள்ளாளன் எனக்கூறி பின்னர் அவனது உட்குடிப்பெயர் கூறி, பின் அவனது இயற் பெயரைக்கூறி, அவனது பட்டப் பெயரைக் கூறி அவன் கொடுத்த கொடையைக் கூறுவது மரபு. இதற்கு எடுத்துக்காட்டாக கீழ்வரும் கல்வெட்டைக் கூறலாம்

"கவையன்புத்தூரில் இருக்கும் வெள்ளாளன் மலையரில் கேசன் கோன் ஆன தமிழ வேள்" என்று வருகிறது. பல வெள்ளாளர்கள் புது ஊர்களைத் தோற்றி வித்து இருக்கிறார்கள். இவர்களில் பலர் கோவன் என்ற பெயர் கொண்டவராக இருந்தனர். அவர்களால் தோற்றுவிக்கப்பட்ட புத்தூர் தான் கோவன் புத்தூர் என்பது. இப்பொழுது கோயன்புத்தூர் என அழைக்கப்படும் மாநகரம் ஆகும் — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.108.145 (talk) 21:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Dr.The Maurya Emperor, Asoka’s mention of two groups of people, the Kerala-putras and Satya-putras and refer to them as falling outside his territory and this would show they were in the Chera-Kongu region well before third cent. BCE. The earliest available Tamil literature ascribable to the beginning of the Current era, mentions a number these sub-castes like Korrantai, Sattantai, Kannantai, Antuvan, Vannakkan and others, that show they were already well settled in this region long before that time. The earliest reference to generations of Chera kings are found in the Kongu Country at Pugalur (Arnattar-malai ). Their Capital was the modern Karur which was well within the Kongu country. by R. Nagaswamy 115.184.108.145 (talk) 21:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

kongu velirs are not kongu vellalars. There is no link between the kongu velirs and kongu vellalars. One can create link with the help of money.vellalars were reffered in inscriptions only after the period of velir kings.the worked under the rule of vettuva kings. its a shame to them now, so only they are changing the history with money. they dont have a history. all those things they claim are fake.

plese give the kings detail about the kongu vellalars? you cannot claim the word kongu for your history. if you use kongu as your reference please be carefull about the time period that you came in to the kongu, so that you wont be caught.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.99.194.37 (talk • contribs) 2011-10-01T16:19:54 (UTC)

//kongu velirs are not kongu vellalars. There is no link between the kongu velirs and kongu vellalars. One can create link with the help of money.//

do you think so we created velir and vellala name ?

Journal of Tamil studies, Volume 2,International Association of Tamil Research., 1970 what u thing about this journal ? what u think about International Association of Tamil Research? many many peer reviewed reference international and national level scolars no one of my caste or no one influenced them. first answer to this ?

first we can clarify who is velir ?

//vellalars were reffered in inscriptions only after the period of velir kings.//

read my above posts fully , i had already given you 2 A.D incription picture also from tamil nadu archelogy govt website, do u know who is R. Nagaswamy ? i had already given who is R.Nagaswamy above post still you want clarify it read here [ http://www.tamilartsacademy.com/aboutrn.html ], Dr.The Maurya Emperor, Asoka’s mention of two groups of people, the Kerala-putras and Satya-putras and refer to them as falling outside his territory and this would show they were in the Chera-Kongu region well before third cent. BCE. The earliest available Tamil literature ascribable to the beginning of the Current era, mentions a number these sub-castes like Korrantai, Sattantai, Kannantai, Antuvan, Vannakkan and others, that show they were already well settled in this region long before that time. The earliest reference to generations of Chera kings are found in the Kongu Country at Pugalur (Arnattar-malai ). Their Capital was the modern Karur which was well within the Kongu country. read this lines again

still you not answered to this question who is kannapa nayanar? 115.184.122.67 (talk) 21:08, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The Velir were a royal house of minor dynastic kings and aristocratic chieftains in Tamilakam in the early historic period of South India. They were vassals and rivals of the Ventars (Chera, Chola and Pandya kings). They had close relations with them through marriages and coronation rights. vellalan(1.Kudiyanavan(another name of vellala) means vellala's are Settled or emigrated by ancient king's. 2.Vellala means one the group who is learned agriculture from ancient people.) So no way to match velir with vellalar. Velir- Chieftain also a Philanthropist. Vellalan- One of the agricultural people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobugounder (talk • contribs) 09:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

kongu Vellalars(Gounders), a high/dominant caste

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The History of ancient Kongunadu is linked invariably to the history of Kongu Vellalars(Gounders), a high/dominant caste of Tamil feudal lords and landlords.

The Kongu Vellalas of Coimbatore - A Historical Sketch of A Dominant Peasant Community,கட்டுரையாளர் : சுந்தரராஜ் மாணிக்கம் Sundararaj Manickam கட்டுரையாளர் பணி : கட்டுரைப் பிரிவு : Culture - பண்பாடு ஆய்விதழ் எண் : 016 - December 1979 பக்கங்கள் : 034 - 047, Journal of Tamil Studies[2] about jornal of tamil studies [3] [4]

read the above one — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.22.106 (talk) 19:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Chera Nadu IS NOT Kongu Nadu; or vice versa

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I am sorry but what IDIOT has confused Chera and Kongu Nadu? They are different. While as the citations show the Cheras did come from Kongu. But Chera Nadu is what is today Kerala. If you want citations for this go see Kerala. Its an obvious fact for anyone with the slightest clue about Tamil history. So I am going to clarify this.--Avedeus (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

see here 639 post discussion

about kongu nadu or chera nadu or capital of chera country

http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=8383044&tid=5476046752465171298&na=1&npn=1&nid= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.242.22 (talk) 19:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

this does not have any inclusion of caste like gounders or others..!!

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The main reason behind the raising proposal of new kongu nadu region is that..

negligence of infrastructure development towards kongu nadu.
high yielding income is not used for this region people.
all announced projects were cancelled and no new projects were designed. especially in metropolis like coimbatore.
no special attention is given to this region.
people's demand is on increase whereas nothing is granted by government of tamil nadu.
major city coimbatore has no projects and proposed remains proposed or cancelled.

eg: metro /mono rail project, gandhipuram three tier bridge, world class university,semmozhi park,other bridges,ring roads,extension of airport, etc....,

power cuts upto 12-16 hours whereas chennai has a one hour power cut.
nearly 45% of income of tamil nadu is poured out by kongu nadu and none return back.
salem being a corporation has worst road transportation infrastructure .

AND STILL DO YOU THINK DEMAND FOR KONGU NADU IS NEGLIGIBLE??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.76.57 (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC) Barathss (talk) 16:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

so kindly showing some interest towards this region may reject this proposal.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.167.177 (talk • contribs) 2013-09-06T21:35:12 (UTC)

Ancient peoples of kongu nadu is vettuvagounder

Vettuvagounder are the ancient people of kongu nadu. Later only vellalar people are emigrated to kongu nadu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobugounder (talk • contribs) 3:31 pm, 9 September 2015, Wednesday (3 years, 5 months, 26 days ago) (UTC+5.5)

அப்டின்னு சொல்றத நம்புனதா சோறுன்னு சொன்னாங்க வேட்டுவனுக தா முட்டாள் ஆச்சே நம்பிட்டோம்..இந்த பொலப்புக்கு போற வர நாலு பேர் மூத்தரத்த குடிக்கலாம்..— Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.62.58.144 (talk • contribs) 2017-12-17T06:08:10 (UTC)

"வடக்குப் பெரும்பாலை வைகாவூர் தெற்கு

குடக்குப் பொருப்புவெள்ளிக் குன்று - கிடக்கும்

களித்தண் டலைமேவு காவிரிசூழ் நாடு

குளித்தண் டலையளவும் கொங்கு"

The name ‘Kongu’ litrally means honey and pollens. Kongunadu is full of mountains and so more amount of honey will be collected. It is believed as the reason for the name Kongunadu. The Ganga Vamsa King Konganivarman ruled this region by keeping ‘Thalaikaadu’ as his konagar. It is also said that the name Kongunadu came after the King’s name. The Vettuvars are said as the “Poorvakudigal” (Tamil:பூர்வகுடிகள்) and “Aathikudigal” (Tamil: ஆதிகுடிகள்) of the Kongunadu and they were called as the ‘Kongars’(Tamil:கொங்கர்) (Vettuvars). They are known for their bravery, generosity and devotion. The Kongunadu is always said for its history and heritage. The now kovai district, namakkal district, erode district, some parts of dindugal district, nearly whole region of karur and salem districts are the regions of ancient Kongunadu. The history of Kongunadu begins from 3 AD itself. The ‘Kongu mandala sathagam,’, ‘Cholan poorva pattayam’, ‘Vettuvar poorva pattayam’, ‘Oothalar kuravanji’, ‘Annamar swamy stories’, ‘Mackenzie’s manuscripts’ only shows the later history of Kongunadu. The Sanga period Kongunadu’s history is evident from the Sanga tamil literatures which depicts the Vettuvars as the ‘Poorvakudigal’ and ‘Aathikudigal’ literally meaning the ‘early society’.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.227.135.98 (talk • contribs) 2018-05-19T22:46:28 (UTC)

Aspirant statehood ?

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No authentic information for separate statehood claim for Kongu Nadu.. It's purely a region of Tamil Nadu. If any reference is available please cite it. Sobanbabu.b (talk) 19:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

It has to be a region of a state to aspire for statehood. "Purely", "Authentic" are all adjectives you use and what you need is credible references for it. References are within the article only if you have cared to look. E.g. India may have 50 states if all demands for new states are met. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 17:08, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Include Uthiyur,Sivan malai,Palani in tourist areas , religious spots

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