Talk:Kongō Gumi

Takenaka

Is Takenaka Corporotation identical to Takamatsu Corporation? This article states the latter have bought the remnants of Kongo Gumi. Yanestra --84.58.237.52 09:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Unlikely, as the Japanese version states that Takamatsu Construction Corp (高松建設株式会社) was the purchaser. Jpatokal 04:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit notes - Feb 13th, 2009

The former text looked fine for a marketing pamphlet by Kongo Gumi but misleading too.

Here are the reasons for the modifications made.

- It wasn't the Kongo Gumi brought to Japan. It was one of the engineers who started his business after his arrival to Japan.

- Shitenno-ji was unfortunately destroyed many times due to various reasons, but fortunately rebuilt as many times too. Yes, it stands on the original ground but the current building is a ferro-concrete building from 1963. Yes, the 1963 building survived the 1995 earthquake (good to hear.)

- Horyu-ji was built with a participation by another member from Baekje who arrived in Japan with Kongo Shigemitsu. With that is how Kongo Gumi corporation called "the same construction technique as used by Kongo lives" in the Horyu-ji buildings. (This is how Kongo's homepage describes it.)

Reference: (Kongo Gumi's homepage - Japanese only) http://www.kongogumi.co.jp/enkaku.html

Previous text, for reference:

Kongō Gumi Co., Ltd. (株式会社金剛組, Kabushiki Gaisha Kongō Gumi) is a Japanese construction company and was the world's oldest continuously ongoing independent company, operating for over 1,400 years until it was absorbed as a subsidiary of another larger construction company. Headquartered in Osaka, the family-owned construction company traced its origins to 578 when Prince Shotoku brought Kongō family members from Baekje to Japan to build the Buddhist Shitennō-ji, a temple that still stands. These temples even endured the Great Hanshin Earthquake in 1995. Over the centuries, Kongō Gumi participated in the construction of many famous buildings, including the 16th century Osaka Castle and Hōryū-ji in Nara.

--- Mantokun (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Kongō

Shouldn't Kongō clan or Kongō family also have an article? 76.66.202.139 (talk) 11:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

• Is there anything notable about them besides having run the company? --V2Blast (talk) 04:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

crest?

Shouldn't the company mon be here? 76.66.202.139 (talk) 11:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Dates

"It traced its origins to 578 CE, when Prince Shōtoku invited three craftsmen from Baekje (one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea) to Japan to build the Buddhist temple Shitennō-ji."

This seems hardly likely, as the prince was born in 574, and would have been only four years old at the time. 66.191.89.102 (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like a marketing ploy to me. Especially as, as pointed out on this very talk page, the earlier revision of these pages read like advertisements. StrexcorpEmployee (talk) 21:08, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with both of you. This entire article seems to be filled with fictional accounts and unsourced materials. I have edited it to remove such unsubstantiated claims, after being unable to find any reliable source material that substantiates those claims. If anyone else can find such material, then add it. Do not just make unfounded claims which read more like an advertisement than anything else. Mulgravia (talk) 05:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

The same claim is made on the Japanese version but that's all I got. I don't know if they just translated it back from here or what. 2600:6C50:60F0:7F30:51E1:15F1:B7E7:3CDC (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Can I just point out that this page used to give the year of establishment as the much more plausible 593, when the prince would have been 19, before the year was "moved back" with this edit on the 2nd of February, 2006, around the time that the company became a subsidiary. Is there any RELIABLE source claiming the earlier year that actually predates that edit (i.e. isn't just a citation Ouroboros)? Because if not this may be in fact a long-running promotional hoax of some sort. StrexcorpEmployee (talk) 12:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm especially suspicious as the early revisions of this page DO look like advertisements, and even in the current revision, I admit ignorance of Japanese culture so correct me if I'm incorrect but ". A 3-metre (9.8 ft)-long 17th century scroll traces the 40 generations back to the company's start." sounds VERY far-fetched to me. StrexcorpEmployee (talk) 12:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

There are plenty of other rather bold claims here that are currently tagged as unsourced as well and... yeah... not sure if I believe much of this page tbh... StrexcorpEmployee (talk) 12:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)