Talk:KissAnime

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 10:22, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that KissAnime was the world's most popular illegal anime streaming site for most of the 2010s? Source: https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-giants-kissanime-and-kissmanga-shut-down-200815/
  • ALT1:... that the pirate anime streaming site KissAnime was more popular in places where there are few legal alternatives? Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2020-08-19/southeast-asia-india-fans-disproportionately-affected-by-pirate-site-kissanime-closure/.163071

• Reviewed: Autobahnkirche Siegerland
• Comment: While this DYK nom is a bit late (9 days) I did not nominate it on time as the article was AfD almost immediately after the creation so I waited for the AfD to finish (to avoid wasting the reviewer's time if this was deleted). I DYKed it as soon as the AfD ended. I hope this is not a big problem and the rules allow for such cases? Ping User:BlueMoonset. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC).

• This article is new enough, under the circumstances, and long enough. The hook facts may be in the source quotes you give above but do not seem to be in the article, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Cwmhiraeth: I did rephrase some sentences to avoid direct quotations in hooks. " most popular illegal anime streaming site for most of the 2010s" ( KissAnime was described as "one of the world’s biggest streaming anime websites".[2] TorrentFreak reported that the sites had audiences of millions and that for a time, KissAnime was "the most visited pirate site in the world".[4]) and the site's dates of establishment and closure cited later. The "was more popular in places where there are few legal alternatives" is based on "providing access to content that is not legally available, particularly in Southeast Asia and India" cited to [1]. I don't think the hooks go beyond what is in the article/sources? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Piotrus: The bit I objected to in ALT0 was "for most of the 2010s". It does not say that in the article. In ALT1, the article refers to the website being appreciated in Southeast Asia and India because there is little alternative, but does not say it is more popular there than elsewhere. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:53, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Cwmhiraeth: How about this ALT0b: --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:23, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

• • ALT0b: ... that by the time it closed in 2020, KissAnime was described as the world's most popular illegal anime streaming site? Source: https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-giants-kissanime-and-kissmanga-shut-down-200815/

• "most-visited" probably equates to "most popular", so I will approve ALT0b. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

• Piotrus, next time, if an article is at AfD, nominate it anyway, and note that it's at AfD, which should be sufficient to prevent a reviewer from wasting their time. AfDs don't always close promptly, and if this had been nominated any later you could have had a problem with it being too late to qualify. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:28, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, KissAnime got banned few years ago which upsets a lot of anime lovers and enthusiasts. After all, it is hard to look for streaming that senders you the best anime variety and HD quality. The biggest reason behind this was the transformation made in Japan’s copyright ( comes from Japan). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.123.86.209 (talk) 02:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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KissAnime likely wasn't taken down because of the Japanese copyright laws. If you read some of the cited articles, they flat out say that the law hasn't gone into effect yet. It was most likely taken down because of a DMCA complaint. Also, many of the "clones" and "copy sites" are actually phishing sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YangWenli1 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Possible. But Wikipedia is not a place for hearsay or one's opinions. Which published source contains this information? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

The article cited as Source 2 on the page says "Japan will be enacting stricter copyright laws from January 2021 onwards." Obviously, the site was taken down before this. The same article also says that many of the "clones" are likely phishing sites. People should probably read the articles they cite before posting hearsay and personal opinions. YangWenli1 (talk) 07:45, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, this was reported by a number of other sites, and they all discuss the soon-to-be-enacted laws. I don't really see a problem with the wording here, but if you'd like to suggest a rewrite, go ahead. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I think that part should either be cut or it should at least be noted that it is unknown whether that law had an effect on the shutdown. KissAnime never made a statement about who took down the videos, only that they were "removed by copyright owners." It is highly misleading to definitively state that the site was taken down because of a law that hasn't even gone into effect yet. The TorrentFreak article seems to be the most accurate source, as many of the others are riddled with speculation. YangWenli1 (talk) 02:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I see. That's a fair point, and I have reworded the sentence to make it more clear. If you would like to reword it differently, please post the full sentence, rewritten by yourself, here, and I'll see how it differs from what I did. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

"lost" media

Media is generally considered 'lost' when no prints are known to exist. The cited article says that titles with no digital distribution and difficult to find home media are 'lost'. Both of the titles listed in the article as 'lost' (Battle Angel (1993), and Starship Troopers (1988)) had home video releases, are not listed as lost films (in fact no lost films are listed as lost for any date after 1974). I checked online and found both titles available on file sharing services Fullmetalalch (talk) 23:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. That part needs to be removed. The series it lists are actually extremely easy to find online. In fact, I doubt anything was actually lost when the site went down, especially since other sites were scraping from it (given the fact that mirrors exist). The source in the cited article is literally a random commenter who probably knows nothing about how anime piracy actually works. A better source is needed to make that claim. YangWenli1 (talk) 01:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough, as in, it's a strong claim from a barely reliable source. That said, the overall claim seems plausible, it is just that we need reliable sources, preferably academic, to make the connection between mostly lost media and online file sharing. Certainly, there are fansubs that still don't have an official release in a given language, and some obscure titles that are not officially distributed anywhere, as well as truly lost anime works that are not preserved anywhere (ex. see Talk:Maze_(novel)#Can_anyone_find_a_reliable_source_for_Maze_originals_being_lost?). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)