Talk:Kishtwari

Kishtwari

Hello to all editors of kishtwari page I'm here to discuss on kishtwari language. Here are some points that we need to discuss :- 1.Kishtwari language is tonal language we need to add this information on the page as others don't know that kishtwari is tonal. Like behen is pronunced as paen ghar as kaar Gheyou as kyouv bhaiya as paya due to tonality. 2.Kishtwari is a language according to siddeshwar verma linguistic survey he argued it as kashmiri dialect and reffered it as intermediate between kashmiri and western pahadi, also dialect cant have dialects, in case of kishtwari it has various dialects spoken in kuntwara thakrie palmar etc areas . Also dialect is of only one language kishtwari has western pahadi vocabulary too so , calling kishtwari as dialect is tottaly wrong. 3.kishtwari people have separate identity than kashmiri people as they practice pahadi culture related to bhaderwah and areas of Himachal like kangra and chamba, so referring kishtwari as kashmiri is totally wrong. And for your information here is ethnicity or origin of different kishtwari castes or surnames , migrated from 11th century to 18th Parihar :- Jodhpur, Rajasthan Thakur :- Himachal Shan and sen :- bengali Padha (sharma) kangra Himachal pradesh Gaud (sharma) bengali Badyal jammu Chauhan Rajasthan and Punjab areas Bhandari Rajasthan and Punjab areas So kishtwari hindus don't have any relation with kashmir , they migrated from different parts of india to kishtwar, except nagseni area of kishtwar who were Buddhists during old times and they still practice pahari culture you can see totally different from kashmiri culture 4.Kishtwari had it's own script which was takri closey related to dogra akkhar(dogri script) other side koshur was written in sharda perso arabic. 5.We need to add western pahadi too with kashmiri in language family section as no one can deny kishtwari has so many western pahadi words and vocabulary , present kishtwari is outcome of kashmiri and western pahadi, historians like Dc sharma have written about kishtwari language, he said in his book kishtwari mixed with kashmiri due to interaction between locals and kashmiri refugees during 17th century. Our language is admixture of koshur and western pahadi but our culture is completely different from kashmiris and practice pahadi culture. 122.161.241.39 (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Kishtwari as a Dogri- and Himachali-influenced Kashmiri dialect

I understand that the mostly Hindu speakers of Kishtwari do not want to be associated with the predominantly Muslim Kashmiris, certainly there are significant cultural differences, but to deny the very real ties between Kishtwari and Kashmiri languages is a pointless endeavour. Any body who is familiar with Kashmiri, on hearing Kishtwari (such as in this clip or this, or this one) would be able to immediately identify the various similarities with Kashmiri, and indeed the differences. As somebody who understands Kashmiri and many Pahari languages, I doubt that a Bhaderwahi or Paddari speaker would be able to understand much in the conversation in the above clip except for some shared vocabulary, whereas a Kashmiri speaker would be able to follow it even if with much difficulty, because of the very similar sentence structure and grammar, in addition to vocabulary. @Kautilya3: Please take note that people may be inserting WP:OR into this article. Kishtwari is a unique language, a rare, largely Hindu-spoken variety of a language group whose speakers today are mostly Muslim. UnpetitproleX (talk) 21:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)