Talk:Kiri Te Kanawa

Objectivity

This is quite a poorly written article, lacking an objective viewpoint! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.115.68.21 (talk) 01:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

And if you can find a negative critique of her perfomances/recordings, reflect them in the article with proper sourcing.98.67.3.121 (talk) 01:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan

Pop song?

The article says she sang a "pop song" when winning the Mobil Song Quest. Is that true? I can't find a ref for it anywhere. Moriori 07:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

She was NEVER a pop singer. What clubs did she sing in? There were no clubs!

And of course you could not win the Mobil song quest singing a pop song.(Milly).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.214.100 (talk) 11:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC) 

Vanessa

Text and Career Highlights mention 2 different years for her final opera performance in "Vanessa": 2002 and 2004. Which is the correct year? --212.202.162.151 14:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• I saw her in the the Washington National Opera performance in 2004; shortly afterwards, she performed the role in LA for the last time.

Vivaverdi 18:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

kiri foundation

I think her foundation is worth mentioning, and if you think the information is in breach of copyright, then please edit the information to make it unique.Bouncingmolar 15:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It looks like a legitimate thing to include, and you have appropriately included a reference for your quotation from the mission statement. Viva-Verdi 18:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

cheers ;) Bouncingmolar 23:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation

The pronunciation that was given appeared to be English, but it was rather ambiguous. I did my best to fix it up, but please verify. kwami 01:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The English pronunciation is "Kir ree". The New Zealand one is more like "Curry" as in "Curry Tee Kumara" (but better to use the English one). Note that Kumara is a New Zealand vegitable. Wallie (talk) 09:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Only if you're [Lynn of Tawa] could it possibly sound like "curry" 121.73.164.238 (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

If we are to use the English pronunciation, then the last vowel of "Kiri" ought to be short, by analogy with "happy" (/'hæpi/). This is confirmed here. As usual it is preferable on Wikipedia to use a generic transcription, which will be realized differently in different dialects. The only thing I'm uncertain of in constructing a generic transcription, is whether the first vowel should be /i/, /iː/, or /ɪ/. The first (short) only occurs in English at the end of words (as above in 'happy'), the second (long) is the vowel in 'seat', and the last the vowel in 'sit'. Obviously, the non-existence of /i/ in the middle of English words is no bar to it appearing in her name! I just want to clarify. For now, I have shortened the terminal /i/ (that much I'm sure of), and left the first one as it stands.--Che Gannarelli (talk) 10:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Why concentrate on English pronunciation? Kiri Te Kanawa is Māori, with a Māori forename -- Kiri -- which means skin or bark. Yes, it can sound a bit phonetically like "Kir ree" but with the renaissance of Māori usage it is very often pronounced kiddee, (just as the town Kerikeri is pronounced Keddi keddi). Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 01:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

With respect, the original poster is confusing the accent of a New Zealander of European descent with the Maori accent. The "Euro" accent swallows vowels, so that the city of Sydney in Australia sounds like sudny, with the u swallowed. Similarly a skid sounds like skud, again with a swallowed u.

The NZ accent is a source of some mirth in Australia, and the reverse is happily reciprocated in NZ. How do Know? I have lived in both places and enjoy mimicry.Historygypsy (talk) 02:21, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Support removal of what is nothing more than "trivia"

Certainly, having some character sort-of named after her is not a valid reason to include it here. Viva-Verdi (talk) 02:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Introduction

The introduction is presently pathetic. I have added in some details based on the Spanish Wiki intro. Other sopranos of Kiri's quality have much larger intros. Wallie (talk) 20:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. Keep up the good work. Viva-Verdi (talk) 03:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try. The treatment of some of the great sopranos including this one is highly understated. I will try to improve them also. Singers like Mathis, Janowitz, Stader, Schwarzkopf and of course Te Kanawa should never be forgotten. Wallie (talk) 08:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I expanded the intro further.Nrswanson (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

POV edit

I notice that the description of Kiri's vocal and performance qualities has been removed. We do need something in there and what was removed was a referenced to Grove. There's always a problem with just referring to "some critics" that people will put in a who? tag. Perhaps the body could acquire a critical reception section? The lead could then reflect that.--Peter cohen (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Lead

This lead would definitely not pass FAC (or even GAC). It should be rewritten in a more neutral style as it is POV. The way it is written now is as if Wikipedia is stating "the sheer beauty of Te Kanawa's voice" etc. as a fact which is obviously contrary to WP:NPOV. A better example would be something like "according to Grove, Te Kanawa was one of the leading operatic sopranos of the 1970s and 1980s." It's not enough to stick a source on the end; opinions need to be attributed in-text if this article is to rise above C-Class. Copana2002 (talk) 13:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Tried to remove a lot of the blatantly non-neutral language in the lead, mostly by cutting out a lot of information. Honestly, I'm surprised it was left in the lead for so long. Others can hopefully flesh it out more, while maintaining a neutral tone. – Liveste (talk • edits) 16:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Career Highlight?

Is being born really a career highlight? Now honestly? 87.95.25.45 (talk) 16:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Susan Boyle

I removed this comment completely, but I think it warrants being re-included in a more accurate and appropriate way: "In 2010 she blasted susan boyle for being human http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/3711885/Te-Kanawa-blasts-Susan-Boyle". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.179.205 (talk) 15:10, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I agree. Wallie (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Controveries

I removed the comment about there not being enough citation, and leaving the article subject to potential litigation etc. I am personally not happy in general about controversies sections, as they tend to be non significant and off the subject - tittle tattle?. Here, they are cited, so I left them in. As the write says above, the Susan Boyle stuff is certainly trivial, and I agree that it doesn't warrant mention. It also does not appear in Susan's article, for the same reason. What do others think of this "Controversies" section. Should it be removed? Wallie (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they should be removed. They are literally 1) she had an opinion and 2) she cancelled an appearance and was not in breach of contract for doing so. How are these controversies? 74.64.143.105 (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Subjective opinion in 2nd par of intro

Tagged. I wrote "objective" in my edit summary, but I was up late last night!Nankai (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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WP Women??

Isn't WP Women for work on women born after 1950, and WP Women's History for women born before 1950? Not sure if this article is correctly tagged for WP Women as Dame Kiri was born in 1944. MurielMary (talk) 04:35, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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End of public career

This article should mention how on September 13, 2017, it was announced that Kiri Te Kanawa announced that she would not be singing in public any longer. Vorbee (talk) 08:03, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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1986 recording

Could anybody provide any further information about this recording?

• 1986 – Ottorino Respighi – La fiamma – as Silvana (studio recording with London Philharmonic Orchestra, Georg Solti)

It is listed in the "Discography" but it might not be truthful.--Jeanambr (talk) 14:26, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

It must be a hoax: this title (along with Arrieta's Marina) was added, on 4 October, by User:37.77.123.25, probably the same as User:37.77.121.12 who had edited three bogus recordings in the Italian article on La fiamma in September. While writing this post, I have noticed that the same three recordings were also added to the English article.--Jeanambr (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hoaxes have been removed.--Jeanambr (talk) 22:08, 13 October 2018 (UTC)