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Swedish pronunciation edit
The Swedish pronunciation of Kimito has been questioned. It is difficult to provide a central standard Swedish pronunciation of the name when it doesn't have a CSS background. A good compromise is to refer to the pronunciation as "local Swedish". The reference for the pronunciation does differ between long and short vowels, and in this case all vowels are short (as in the sound file). Also local Swedish lacks stress and tone as in CSS. --Migro (talk) 10:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Migro: we normally use CSS transcriptions, as Finland Swedish has a simpler phonology that can be inferred from the Central Swedish one. Though since the audio is in Finland Swedish, I guess this could work, if you are certain the stressed vowel is short. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 11:47, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, Standard Finland Swedish has a more complicated phonology than CSS, which means that SFS pronunciations can't be inferred from CSS ones. This is why it's a bad idea to transcribe Finland-Swedish place names in CSS; their spoken use is largely confined to Finland Swedish, and a CSS transcription leaves one in the dark about the pronunciation in Finland Swedish. Finland Swedish is one of the two equal standard varieties of Swedish, and it's a major mistake not to have it in the key.
- Our source, which is the main authority on Swedish-language toponyms in Finland, doesn't transcribe tone because tone is not a part of Standard Finland Swedish. When it doesn't explicitly provide the placement of the stress, it means that the stress falls on the first syllable. Long vowels are followed by a colon, and long consonants are doubled. Thus, tjimitå means /ˈɕimito/, while tji:mitå would be used for /ˈɕi:mito/ and tjimmitå for /ˈɕim:ito/.
- In CSS, only the two latter pronunciations are phonotactically possible, which means that if we were to confine ourselves to CSS, we would have to transcribe a pronunciation that is phonemically incorrect in SFS. Instead, we should transcribe the standard pronunciation in Finland Swedish and use [ˈt͡ɕimito].
- Ardalazzagal (talk) 14:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)