Talk:Kimihiro Watanuki

Add new categories?

Is there enough evidence of his ability to list Watanuki in "Fictional precognitive characters"? I considered adding him but realized it's best to ask when it comes to his powers. Katsuhagi 03:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

source?

I hate to doubt anyone, as this appears to be an excellent article, but so much so fast makes me think this might be a copyvio off of some other web site. Can we confirm or deny this? I'm hoping it's not a copyvio, but I think it's a good idea to make sure. -- Ned Scott 00:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I am also curious about the source of the character bios. I also don't think they belong here. They belong in the main xxxHOLiC article, which is incredibly sparse. Grianne 21:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm the one that wrote the new additions for Relation ships and Fan speculations. Most of the information i get are from the following

1. Reading my XXXHolic and Tsubasa and card captor sakura series 2. Kimihiro.net ( I dont have a complte collection) 3. Scanlations 4. Tsubasa Forums and other anime forums for Fan speculations

Its ok to have a longer article for each character for their personal bios than mashed them in the main xxxholic article. To put as much in the main will confuse less the readers plus its easier to read.

User:layamin August 23, 2006 07:45 am

sourced images

re: [1] and the edit summary "(Excuse me. This image was never deleted. It was uploaded today, with permission from owner, with appropriate tags. It's also nice to have links which actually relate to the entry's topic.)"

First, the OWNER did not give you permissions. Those images are owned by CLAMP, not by the fansite you got them from. Second, yes, this image or one like it was deleted for not having a source [2]. I do thank you for actually providing a source for this current version, but please don't get all pissed off just because I changed your edits. One should never edit a "references" section to the point of removing the original references, and you shouldn't bite people's heads off for making sure others follow guidelines. -- Ned Scott 22:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

If you will check the image out, you will see that it is not the same image. I did not upload Watanuki.jpg ... judging from the history of the entry, it was added by the person who created this entry. Maybe it was the same panel from the manga, but it wasn't the same scan and it wasn't me. Grianne 00:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Special characterisation

I don't know enough about the special characters in Yūko and Dômeki to correct this, but as I read through the article, the special characters on these letters changes with Dômeki becoming Dōmeki and Yūko becoming Yuuko. Can someone tidy this up? --Seraphim Whipp 23:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

If we're going for consistency, then long vowels should all be done one way. For example, if we're changing Yūko to Yuuko, then Dōmeki needs to be Doumeki. Aldalote 20:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Recent Edit

Just to clarify, I reverted an edit that said Watanuki wasn't human because my translation of chapter 144 said differently.

• From Page 6:
• Watanuki: Am I... not human?
• Yuuko: Not at all, you are human, just like that boy (Syaoran)

As such, I'd advise that speculation be kept off of this page until CLAMP clears up the matter or more evidence is presented either way. Katsuhagi 02:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: TeenAngels1234 (talk · contribs) 20:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Let's start.

• The lead incipit is confusing, especially in the very presentation of the character and its role in the story. I never saw the anime or read the manga, and this incipit is kinda too long for me. Nothing important, but more focused and less detalied sentences can help.
  • Trimmed. Hope it works.
• "Although the authors noted that Shizuka Dōmeki and Yuko were the series' most popular characters .... Nanase Ohkawa, felt it was because of his multiple skills".

This digression sounds superfluous to me. It must be moved to Reception, at least, IMHO.

• • Done.
• "A major theme in their series Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle, which crosses over with xxxHolic, is the use of the same people, the result of characters travelling to parallel worlds where they find alternative versions of people they met before".

This sentence should be simplified.

• • Done.
• "When reaching the series' conclusion, Clamp received many letters from fans who were saddened by Watanuki's decision to remain in the shop in self-exile, even after one hundred years, rather than return to society when given the option".

This sentence also fits mettere in Reception.

• • Moved.
• "The authors were pleased with the readers' comments. They wanted Watanuki to have a happier ending but clarified that the character's fate was the happiness he wanted.".

Who does "they" refer to?

• • Moved.

@Tintor2: Sorry. I was busy and I started the review now.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 20:46, 18 November 2020 (UTC) @TeenAngels1234: Thanks for the review. Don't worry about the delay. I had time to create more Tsubasa articles in the meantime.Tintor2 (talk) 21:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

• "Watanuki as a high school student plagued by his ability to see spirits"

There's something wrong in this sentence.

• • Done.
• "...reviews criticised his irritating behaviour"

Well. Maybe "his behaviour, considered to be irritating" or something like this it's better.

• • Done.
• "Clamp believed Yūko was so interesting she could be the series' sole main character".

It's a tautologìa of the previous sentence, I guess.

• • Revised. I'm entirely sure the issue but if you have a better idea, feel free to tell me.
• "The dynamic between Yūko and Watanuki was connected respectively with Doraemon and Nobita Nobi from the manga series Doraemon".

"Connected"? "Inspired" sounds better.

• • Revised
• "Watanuki's personality and design were not difficult to write or illustrate."

For the Clamp group, right?

• • Revised
• "comedy-like tsukkomi situations".

A better explanation of tsukkomi would be great.

• • Specified.

Generally speaking, add more commas. For example: "created by the group of manga artists known as Clamp[,] introduced in the manga xxxHolic", "the producers had him try a more innocent tone[,] in contrast to other roles he had played", @TeenAngels1234: Thanks. Revised those.Tintor2 (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@TeenAngels1234: I might be busy tomorrow Friday so I guess I might be able to respond to more comment this weekend.Tintor2 (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• When I started the review, a section about Voice acting was there. Why you deleted it? It looked pertinent.
  • I feared there was a clash with the prose and infobox. Still, restored.
• "Watanuki is known for being both volatile and caring.".

This description-like sentence can be deleted, or, at least, rewritten in an harmonic way to fit better in the tempo of the prose. For example: "He starts to be".

• • Revised
• "Watanuki learns this happened because of her bad luck, but Watanuki still wants to be with her, confessing his feelings for her once he recovers"

Try to avoid the repetition of Watanuki.

• • Done.
• "Watanuki is unaware he was being used to fill the gap left by Syaoran after he decided to turn back time and accept imprisonment by the sorcerer Fei-Wang Reed as payment".

Kinda confusing. Can you explain it better? Don't be afraid to add content, if needed.

• • Revised.
• "Before the series' start, Watanuki gave up the memories of his past as the price to find Fei-Wang and help Syaoran. As he could not remember his parents, Watanuki developed a strong sense of guilt, thinking it was his fault his parents had died; this guilt led to his ability to attract spirits".

Idem. Sounds like a post-revelation, right? Try "He descovers", "His ability, in the x part of the manga, is revealed to be..". Remember. You're describe fictional events in an encyclopedia, but you have to build a musical tempo.

• • Revised. Not sure if I did it correctly.
• "In an xxxHolic poll published in The Official xxxHOLiC Guide, readers voted Watanuki the most popular character in the series.[53] Although the authors noted that Shizuka Dōmeki and Yuko were the series' most popular characters.."

This sounds confusing. Do you have other popularity polls? If you find surveys in which Watanuki is just the third or the fourth most popular xxxH character, you can add a sentence between these two.

• Rearranged. The first commentary of the popularity was the series' early chapters while poll was conducted after its ending.
• "Watanuki's problem of constantly being followed by demons can be compared.."

Well. Maybe "was compared by Dani Cavallaro to.." is better.

• • Done.
• "Matthew Alexander compared Watanuki's new characterisation with Yuko's as it shows him maturing. He no longer throws angry tantrums and is unwilling to forget the witch".

Try to merge this in one sentence.

• • Done

• "His relationship with his two friends remains awkward to the point it felt like this reboot might attract older fans".

Well. "According to them", right?

• • Revised.
• So, why "Kimihiro Watanuki initially generated mixed responses from manga and anime publications whose reviews criticised his behaviour, considered to be irritating"? Try to rewrite this part, like a simple summa of Reception.
  • Merged the two sentences.

@Tintor2: That's all. Once these issues are solved, I'm gonna pass this.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:20, 20 November 2020 (UTC) @TeenAngels1234: Thanks a lot. The prose is also my weak point when it comes to these articles.Tintor2 (talk) 01:07, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Tintor2: One last point: Reception should be shorter. All these sentences and explanations are too, too detailed. Generic sentences, such as "Its evolution has been appreciated[1][2], while other reviewers criticized its role in the last few chapters [3][4]" are sufficient. It's not that bad, but try to stick to the three paragraphs. Don't be afraid to be short and cut things.TeenAngels1234 (talk) 09:52, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@TeenAngels1234: Combined some parts. Now there are three main critics sections:

• 1. Introduction and growth
• 2. Older characterization in xxxHolic
• 3. Other appearances

I hope this helps.Tintor2 (talk) 13:56, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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   C. It contains no original research:

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3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Brief summa. The article is well written. It has an appropriate length, and, after the review, it's well-focused. Each section gives adequate space for the subject, without going into too much details. The prose is now much clearer and more focused. Sources are good. It's also understandable for those who, like me, do not know the subject. Hence, it is promoted.TeenAngels1234 (talk) 14:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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