Talk:Khattak

Village information

Please do not add descriptions of villages and names of people to this page, this entry is about the Khattak tribe. Reeshtya (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Note

A HUMBLE REQUEST

Do not edit if you cannot provide a factual reference. Every edit must be backed up by a scholarly reference. Do not vandalizes, do not add personal references. Learn to respect and appreciate differences of opinion without personal prejudice. This after all is the sharing of collective human knowledge and bringing it to the world. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 10:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

living evidences which so far got ignored

grana Pakhtunyar Afghan wrora! some time we have living evidences but we dont have scholarly references for to prove a claim. What one have to do in such situation. I know a few israelite customs which we pashtuns still follow. How to deal with them when we see we don't have any Isrealite tribe living beside us to influence our custom. This would be unfair with history if we wait for scholary reference and lose the evidences, as today because of electronic media every culture is changing? Hope you guide me in this regards deera mananaZarrigul (talk) 14:00, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

There are indeed people associated with Wikimedia (the umbrella project under which Wikipedia falls) who are interested in preserving information which is not yet covered by scholarly sources. If you are interested in finding these people and discussing with them how to collect and disseminate such information as is not yet collected by scholars, I would suggest that you inquire at Wikipedia:Village pump. Just give a very brief explanation of the sort of things you're interested in preserving, and ask about what discussions are ongoing at Wikimedia and where to join them. In the meantime, English Wikipedia does have strict rules about what is and is not admissible, and citation to WP:Reputable sources is still an en.wiki requirement, and becoing stricter over time and as we clean up older, unsourced articles. If you find some good information on this process of collecting popular knowledge, please message me, as I'd be curious to see how the discussion is going. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:38, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Notables

All this section about notable Khattaks is a useless addition. This article should only reflect the Tribe not individuals. There are already articles about these individuals, why also put them in here?

I say, the Notable Khattaks section should be removed. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 07:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I've moved that list to a separate article, List of Khattaks, as is commonly done for lists of people by ethnicity and/or surname. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Ferishta, History Of The Mohammedan Power In Indi

If we are going to use this as a source, can we please have a page number and if not that, a quote? Here is the document: [1]. Although I know that there is a long history for the claims of Jewish descent, it still needs to be referenced properly. Dougweller (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I didnt think a page number was required since the whole book deals with Afghans and their lineage from the Israelites. Anyhow, as for the Afghan descent from Israelite, all of Chapter I in Book 1 is a reference. The Title of the Chapter is "History of Yaqoob (Israel) to whom the Genealogy of this people descends", it starts from page 5. The chapter on King Saul (Talut) is Book 1 Chapter 2 page 11. As for the Khattak tribe specifically, the 1st reference is Part 2nd page 54, which is further explained at Annotations Part 2nd, page 130, on this page at (90) a detail about the Khattaks is given. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 15:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I have added the above references to the article. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 05:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Khattak flag?

I am concerned that the "Khattak flag" shown in this article is fan-cruft and not actually a historically-attested Khattak flag. If it is not historically accurate, it is deceptive to use it here. I have posted on the uploaders Talk page, and at WikiProject Pakistan. Posting here in case the issue comes up again in the future, as I dimly recall at least one other Pakistani Pashtun "tribal flag" that was debunked and removed last year or so, that was very similar (same designer), so best to resolve the issue for good. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, historically Khattaks only used plain black flags. This flag seems to be fictional glorification of the plain simple black flag. It has been used in many places on the net with Khattak Tribe. If there are Wiki rules against such material then it must go, other than that I dont see anything wrong or deceptive about it.

Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 07:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

To clarify, not so much "intentionally deceptive" as much as that it apparently gives an inaccurate impression that this is a formal, accepted, or historical flag. There's nothing wrong with a Khattak person designing such a flag for their own website or Khattak rally/festival, but to have it on the Wikipedia page implies some form of acceptance. As I understand from the description, it sounds like the author just put together images that he himself thought were applicable. In my own time I could make a "Canadian flag" by putting together a beaver, maple syrup, and a salmon, but that wouldn't make it any kind of official Canadian flag, so Wikipedia is not the place for it. I've gotten similar concerns on WikiProject Pakistan, so I'm removing the image now pending any new revelation that it's a legitimate historical/accepted flag. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Saghri Bangi Khattak

Hi, For "Doug Weller" & all other editors. Both these terms i.e. Saghri (also Soghri) & Bangi Khel are genuine terms. These are sub tribes/clans within the Khattak super tribe. Please dont remove these words. It does not account to vandalism or misleading information. Thanks. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 10:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Then these need an explanation and a reliable source. And as you can write good English, could you try to make that part of article readable? It really should be deleted until someone who knows the subject can rewrite it in normal English. It's embarrassing. Dougweller (talk) 14:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Well originally the page only had titles of sub clans. However later editors started putting in additions which went out of hand so that now from time to time some editors even write down embarrassing personal promos of semi political nature etc.. All I can say is that only the sub clan titles (and if not asking for too much the districts (also counties) should be mentioned. However providing a source for it would be difficult as I dont think there are books in English for this. I dont even know of a properly written Pashto book about these clans except for the Bolak Yusufzai Khattaks which I will put in the article. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Luqman khattak

Is there any information about Luqman's grave,the person believed to be the first khattak. Lalg90 (talk) 17:26, 5 April 2021 (UTC)