Talk:Kharavela

Kharavela vs. Kharvela

Does the stub on Kharvela refer to the same persion? Is Kharvela a legitimate alternative spelling of Kharavela? Sagsaw 01:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Sagsaw,

It appears that the stub on Kharvela refers to the same person. Kharavela is the more legitimate spelling. Kharvela is possibly an idiomatic verion stemming from the northern regions of modern India. My recommendation is that that stub be deleted or merged with Kharavela.

Regards,

Devanampriya 19:59, 27 January 2007

Merged

I visited Udayagiri and Khandagiri Caves near Bhubaneswar on 15-2-2007. Kharvela and Kharavela are same and have been merged and expanded and provided images also. burdak 05:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Needs correction. No part of the Kharavela empire belongs to present day Pakistan. Only India and Bangladesh are the successor states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.10.156 (talk) 02:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Date

In the date section it has been added that According to Indian numismatist P.L. Gupta, the name of the Yavana (Indo-Greek) king mentioned in the 8th line of the Hathigumpha inscription is Vimaka. He identifies Vimaka with Vima Kadphises, and based on this, dates the Hathigumpha inscription to 2nd century BCE. Now first of all Vima Kadphises was a Kushana king, not Yavana (Indo-Greek) and secondly he ruled around 90 to 100 AD. So that doesnot corroborate with 2nd century BCE. So, some rectification needs to be done. Thanks. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 15:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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@Utcursch: and others: This article relies on very old sources (1885 etc) when a first satisfactory and reliable cast/ink-impression was not yet available or published. Please see the summary and sources in Hathigumpha inscription article, which I have updated. This is a highly disputed inscription, and it being the primary source on Kharavela.... we must ask if we need to update this article, or at least present the different readings of the inscription and the scholarly views that were published in the last 125 years for NPOV. Some of the claims in the Reign section are fringe, in light of the best ink-impressions and published peer-reviewed scholarship. I will hold off for a while before further edits, await comments to my concerns and suggestions if any. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ms Sarah Welch: Good work on Hathigumpha inscription! This article has been on my todo list for quite some time, especially because of outdated sources and overlap with the article on the inscription, but I never found time to edit it. If you have content and sources ready, feel free to update the article. Based on the edits I see on my watchlist, this article mostly attracts anons and newbies seeking to glorify their state or religion through minor edits. I don't think you'll run into opposition from anyone well-versed with WP:RULES, if you remove outdated / fringe / NPOV content. utcursch | talk 14:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I will do a bit of cleanup. Would appreciate if you can review and improve this article further, when you get time. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Kharvela full history, Wikipedia admins reverting the real one from inscription I don't know why! Maybe it is there propoganda against odias or what

Kharvela Mohan12125 (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Your refs do not support "Chandel" ancestry. You are presenting disputed theroies and speculations as facts (e.g. the "Chedi" interpretation apparently arises from a misreading "Chetaraja" etc.) utcursch | talk 14:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

chandel and chedi are synonyms see dhanga's inscription he belong to vrishni clan and chedis are branch of vrishni. And cheti and chedi are same Chetiraja mean king of cheti kingdom aka chedi which is mentioned in Vishnu mahapuran coz it's was once ruled by Uprichar vasu who was first cheti aka "fisherman" and founder of capital suktimati that's why his cheti word for chedi is used in many Puranas and inscriptions. Mohan12125 (talk) 20:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:NOR. utcursch | talk 13:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

None of the three sources cited by you in your latest edit mention the term "Chedi-Chandel". utcursch | talk 02:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hence proved you didn't checked sources clearly. I mentioned 5-6 refference. It is written in it that if the feminine noun is 'Chedi' then it is Hindi 'Chandel'. In another chandel word is used for chedi kingdom. In the last snippet, Shishupala is written as a Chandel king and the ancestor of the Chedi dynasty is Shishupala. In the same one, it is written that the inscription of Khajuraho says that Danga was born in Vrishni clan and Chedivansh is the changed name of Vrishnis. It is also described in Bhagwat Mahapuran (about chedi...n 5-6 not 3 Mohan12125 (talk) 04:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Even ignoring obsolete / unreliable sources and your synthesis, the references do not support your assertion. Please present page numbers and quotes which directly support your assertion. utcursch | talk 15:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

See my previous edit... Personal info... Where I mentioned all reference after Chedi vrishni chandel are same

Reply fast utcursh... First one page number 466 which says" the feminine noun is 'Chedi' then it is Hindi 'Chandel' and in other too. Well you have searching bar you can search in reference book also the link I paste there clearly mentioned you just don't want let me spread out odia history and clan, you just ignoring. Mohan12125 (talk) 16:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

First of all, please stop restoring your content at WP:BRD -- feel free to seek a third opinion per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.

"Chedi vrishni chandel are same" is your original research. None of the references added by you mention page 466. What is the title of the book that you're referring to? Here you talk about the book which you "mentioned in Personal info", but there is no section called "Personal info".

Also, please do not state theories and speculations as facts. As the article clearly states (with a reliable source): the Hathigumpha inscription "is open to widely different interpretations, giving rise to disputes and speculation by various scholars". Just because you agree with a theory of one of these scholars doesn't mean that you add it to the lead stating it as a fact. utcursch | talk 18:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

refrences in personal life section Mohan12125 (talk) 19:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Please provide a book name, a page number and a quotation. Citing 11 books without a page number does not work; for example "ब्रजभाषा सूर-कोश" does not even mention Kharavela or Mahameghavahana. utcursch | talk 19:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not talking about Kharvela utcrush I'm talking about Chedi and Chandel are same that's what are mentioned in those sources Mohan12125 (talk) 02:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:SYN: If the book does not even mention the topic of the article, you shouldn't be using it to assert a fact.

Even ignoring that, your references do not support your assertions. For example, page 466 of the ब्रजभाषा सूर-कोश only states "चंदेल - संज्ञा पु. [सं] क्षत्रियों की एक शाखा" ("Chandel - noun, masculine, from Sanskrit - a branch of Kshatriyas"). Page 526 states चेदि - संज्ञा पु. [सं.] एक प्राचीन देश जिसके अंतर्गत वर्तमान बुंदेलखंड का चंदेरी नगर है। शिशुपाल यहाँ का राजा था।" ("Chedi - noun, masculine, from Sanskrit - an ancient country that includes the current Chanderi town of Bundelkhand. Shishupal was its king."

Please provide the book title, page #, and a quotation in your support. utcursch | talk 14:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

? चंदेरी - संज्ञा स्त्री. [सं.] चेदि या हिं. चंदेल] एक प्राचीन नगर। Here Chandel is written in Hindi of Chedi state. https://books.google.com/books/about/%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B7%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%B0_%E0%A4%95.html?id=a0shAAAAMAAJ

. A ruler from Chandel clan Dhanga is mentioned in Khajuraho inscription that he was born in Vrishni clan.. means Chandel=Vrishni and chedis were branch of Vrishni as per Bhagwatam.. page no. 3 ... https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Candellas_of_Jej%C4%81kabhukti.html?id=a9j9ZJGJOV0C . चन्देल (चंदेल) - [ स चेदि] पु० १. क्षत्रियों का एक वंश या कुल नाम। Here Noun of Chandel is mentioned as Chedi Chandel=Chedi...p. 843... https://books.google.com/books/about/Prabhat_Brihat_Hindi_Shabdakosh_Vol_1.html?id=hr9Zl_7g8HAC . शिशुपाल चन्देल के राजा थे। राजकुमारी रूक्मिणी श्रीकृष्ण से प्रेम करती थी, shishupal was king of chedi (his clan name nd kingdom were same) but here he is mentioned as king of chandel... p 552... https://books.google.com/books/about/BHARTIYA_SANSKRITI_KE_GAKAAR_PRATEEK.html?id=2Ht3EAAAQBAJ . If you still unable to find tell me your telegram I'D I will send you whole screenrecord ig that isn't fake tho Mohan12125 (talk) 04:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:SYN: None of these sources even mention Kharavela. Even for establishing the equivalence of Chandel and Chedi, they are not reliable sources - you need a scholary work by a historian to establish that. Feel free to seek a third opinion at WP:RSN / WT:IND. utcursch | talk 15:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh! Now you change topic from source to historean, btw utcursh can you nominate me for adminship? Mohan12125 (talk) 16:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:RfA. utcursch | talk 04:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Note for others: Mohan12125 has been blocked as a sock of the long-term abuser Akshay Singh Rajput Thakur. utcursch | talk 16:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)