Talk:Khalid Mahmood (British politician)

British Steel

DID MR MAHMOOD EVER WORK FOR BRITISH STEEL BROMFORD IN THE 80`S ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.52.59 (talk) 10:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Mahmood

Mahmood was the surprise successor to Jeff Rooker as Labour Party candidate for Birmingham Perry Barr. There was concern locally that he received an unusually high large number of postal votes. His opponents inferred that the local Kashmiri/Pakistan community had been galvanised to support him. The national executive committee of the Labour Party decided against de-selecting him and no wrongdoing was ever proved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birmingham View (talk • contribs) 16:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Image

There use to be an image on this article, File:KhalidMahmood.JPG, but it was removed here with a claim to be of the wrong person. As the image has remained un-used it has now been nominated for deletion. Anyone who can contribute is invited to do so at this discussion. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 21:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Voted strongly against

What does it mean that he voted "strongly for" or "very strongly against" something? MPs just vote aye or nay, there's no option for "strongly yes" or "very strongly no".Hobson (talk) 13:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Biography Link

Moved from main article as link broken.

• The Labour Party - Khalid Mahmood MP official biography

RGCorris (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 13 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved per consensus and policy. To the points brought up by GreenCricket, the preference is article title disambiguation over hatnotes; and as to Bobby Martnen the proposed titles provide a clearer understanding of who these people were by identity (ie their role over their heritage). "British" was moved already, "Norwegian" is pending G6 to undo the bold move previously performed. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Khalid Mahmood (politician, born 1961) → Khalid Mahmood (British politician)
• Khalid Mahmood (politician, born 1959) → Khalid Mahmood (Norwegian politician)

– The purpose of a disambiguator is to provide a concise descriptor allowing the reader to distinguish between two topics. In this case, readers are much much much more likely to know the nationality of each of these politicians than to know their year of birth. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:07, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• Agree It's unlikely that even many members of the respective politicians' campaign teams can tell the difference between the two by date of birth. In the infrequent occasions in which years of birth are suitable disambiguators it's usually because differences of decades or centuries can unambiguously tell individuals apart Dtellett (talk) 17:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
• Note The aricle currently at Khalid Mahmood (politician, born 1959) was in 2008 as Khalid Mahmood (Norwegian politician). It remained at that title for 7 years until was moved to its current title in a series of moves on 8 December 2015‎ ([1], [2], [3]) by User:GreenCricket. Since these good faith WP:BOLD moves were done without discussion, the stable version is Khalid Mahmood (Norwegian politician). If there is no consensus, the page should be moved by default back to that stable title. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• Disagree I have added hat note on each article which shows politician nationality...current format is more appropriate because it serves the purpose for long term GreenCricket (talk) 17:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Reply. Those hatnotes are superfluous, because the information contained in them duplicates the first line of the article.
    The guidance at WP:NCPDAB is "Years of birth and death are not normally used as disambiguators (readers are more likely to be seeking this information than to already know it) although this may be necessary when there are multiple people with the same name and tag." These two politicians are unambiguously distinguished by nationality, which is more informative to the reader.
    GreenCricket also refers to "long term" usage, which is a plea for pre-emptive disambiguation. It is long-standing practice that if any new articles create further ambiguity, then the disambiguation may be reconsidered ... but we do not pre-emptively disambiguate. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

• Disagree - Both men are Pakistani, not British or Norwegian. Bobby Martnen (talk) 05:33, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Reply That argument is founded neither in fact nor in en.wp policy.
    Neither article makes any direct assertion of the citizenship of the two men. However, the purpose of a disambiguator is not to define legal status; it is to assist the reader in distinguishing the two articles. The date of birth fails that test, but the phrase "Fooian politician" does help the reader identify them. It also accords with the guideline WP:NCPDAB that a "disambiguator is usually a noun indicating what the person is noted for being in his or her own right".
    Each of those men has lived in their respective European countries for several decades since attending university there, and each has served as a member of the national parliament of that country. Regardless of any evidence of legal citizenship (and we have none), each man is readily identifiable as a politician of the country to whose parliament they were elected. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Obviously. Our usual practice is to use nationality as a disambiguator before we use year of birth, which should be a last resort only. Whatever the strict nationality of these gentlemen (and the British one has been in the UK since he was a child, so I'd be very surprised if he didn't have British nationality), being a member of a legislature makes "Foo politician" fine as a disambiguator. It's far more useful to anyone looking for them than their years of birth. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)-- Necrothesp (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Why is this even an issue? The arguments against are facile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support the move to have clear titles easy to distinguish. Peco Wikau (talk) 21:58, 17 December 2015 (UTC).
• Support. Not obvious, because nationalities can be ambiguous, politicians have crossed national boundaries, but there appears no such hurdle here. Both are strongly associated with the respective stable nations, and the similar birth years does not disambiguate so usefully. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:59, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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