Talk:Kenny Omega/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 07:42, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Links

Prose

Lede

• He is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling, where he also serves as an in-ring talent. - this sentence rubs me wrong. Is he not the vice president (is there more than one?), and "in-ring talent" is WP:JARGON. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

AEW has four EVPS: Cody, the Jacksons, and Omega. I rephrased it but can understand if it still sounds jarring. Let me know what you think! KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• one-time IWGP Heavyweight Champion, one-time and inaugural IWGP United States Champion, and one-time IWGP Intercontinental Champion among other championships. (one-time is a bit pointless, can we just say "Omega has held the IWGP Heavyweight, United States... etc). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• He was a member of the stable Bullet Club - "stable" is Jargon. also, it should be after "bullet club". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I added a link to what defines a stable. If this is improper, I'll change the word "stable" to "group". KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• later serving as its fourth leader - fourth isn't important. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Omega has also performed as part of both American and Japanese independent promotions - well, he's worked worldwide. I know he did quite a few shows in 4 Front Wrestling for example. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• list of top 500 male wrestlers - could we link the PWI 500? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Omega battled Kazuchika Okada - battled is a weird word. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• WP:INFOBOXCITE is an issue. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I moved all but one of the citations to the body. The only I'm having an issue with is the ring name Scott Carpenter because he's only been documented to have used it once, so there's no paragraph dedicated to the portion of his career under the ring name. I'd love suggestions on how to sort this. KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Body

• His mother works in family services - this will be dated. Do we have a date as to when? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• atched tapes of WWE's Saturday Night's Main Event, which became his favorite program. - this would have been the WWF at the time, no? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• When did he debut? The infobox says differently. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I consolidated all of the information in multiple sources to a single sentence in the early life section regarding his debut. KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• dropped the title - Jargon Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I revised all sentences that use the term "drop", but is it really considered jargon? Per Thesaurus.com, "drop" is a common synoym for lose. KyleJoan^talk 23:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• former rival Rawskillz - "former rival" is not needed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• the team of Shawn Houston and Chris Raine "the team of" doesn't need to be there. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Millennium Wrestling Federation's ULTRA card - is the ULTRA card the name of the show? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it is. It seems to be a recurring event for the promotion, held sporadically over the years. KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

My knowledge isn't great on this, but should these be in italics, per MOS:ITALICTITLE? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I believe the reason for the italicization of this one event is because it is also broadcast on television. KyleJoan^talk 08:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• he was invited to a week-long tryout by WWE - WWF. WP:RECENTISM Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

This section's paragraph break was put in a weird place. I fixed that, and when he received his tryout, it was already WWE. KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• After returning from a hiatus on November 15, 2014, JAPW stripped Omega of the Light Heavyweight Championship - Why? 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I revised the sentence entirely because the title was vacated, therefore, Omega was only stripped in the process rather than due to a specific reason. KyleJoan^talk 23:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Could we move the images to the right, please? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done I also removed a picture that shows him with a different promotion than the section in which it was placed. KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• there is a piece here - Regarding his life outside of wrestling, Smith said that he had no time to think about relationships because he was completely focused on his wrestling goals. - however, I know that shortly after this he began dating Hikaru Shida... I would recommend dating this statement. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:49, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• A video of the match went viral and made international news, after which Omega received death threats. - this needs a cite (and probably expansion!) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Personal life section needs to have better line breaks for paragraphs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Watch out for WP:SEAOFBLUE. You added otaku gamer gimmick, which would need to be rephrased anyway. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I rephrased the sentence and moved the gamer link to the personal life section. KyleJoan^talk 08:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Notes & References

• Oh, I saw a few references that are in Japanese, but aren't listed as such. Needs to be changed (IE, |lang=ja) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 08:17, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

General issues

• WP:INFOBOXCITE jumps out at me here. The infobox is full of citations, could we add some of these to the main body instead? The debut is weird, as the article doesn't mention 2000 at all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:43, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Other than the one citation to support the ring name, they all have been moved to the body. KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Be careful of image captions, captions should have something in there that describes why the image is importatnt. "Omega in 2010" is a really poor one, which could explain so much more. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Could we get some WP:ALTTEXT? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• There are a few WP:DUPLINKS (not many). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• WP:JARGON is quite the issue here - things like "shot", "dropping the title", etc. need to be linked/explained. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done KyleJoan^talk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definately not manditory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Thank you for your willingness to write another GA review! I see that your GA nominations are currently under review, so I'll be sure to leave additional comments regarding those articles in the coming days. I do have a question, though. I'm not really clear on when the review a specific section is finished, so would it be more appropriate to address your concerns and update the content in accordance to your recommendations once the entire article has been reviewed? KyleJoan^talk 08:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, yeah, I usually do this in stages, but I only had five minutes, so I just chucked a few comments here. I'll be adding additional nominations in the coming days, if you fancy doing a review (I'm currently 11 GA passed articles for this month, so my whole backlog has been worked through! Unheard of!), additionally, I do have an FA open at 2019 World Snooker Championship, if you would like to add some comments to that instead if you were interested. I'll try and get this one fully reviewed in the next two days or so. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:32, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

That's awesome! Shows how fascinating and notable your nominations are. I left some comments on your FA nomination. I hope they help it achieve FA. Wonderful work all around! And thank you! KyleJoan^talk 01:47, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that! Looks pretty good now, I'll do the review now (or some of it, it's a long article) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:13, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

right, on hold. There's only a few things here. It's the general issues that need addressing mostly. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm ok with this - as is. There's always extra information, and extra cleanup, and a lot of work would need to be in place if you were to nominate for FAC, but as of today, this meets the GA criteria, so I'll promote. Congrats. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:14, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.