Talk:Kenji Tanigaki

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Kenji Tanigaki
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• ... that Kenji Tanigaki, the Japanese action director of Rurouni Kenshin and Snake Eyes: G.I. Joe Origins, began his career as a stuntman on the invitation of Hong Kong action choreographer Stephen Tung?

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• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shushu/Tong
• Comment: Second QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Atavista

Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 11:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC).

• Date, hook, length works out on both, QPQs done, no close paraphrase found. --Soman (talk) 21:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing the articles, Soman!—Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

References

GA reviewing doubts

You've nominated this article for GA status and I think that it is very close to that already. I initially signed up to review articles via the October 2024 Backlog Drive, but upon looking how much it all takes, I am daunted. I sat on the GA article review creation page for your article for at least an hour as I looked at other reviewers' methods. I have concluded that I may have taken more than I could chew.

I've read through your article and started looking at the sources. Were I to review the article, I would have written the following:

Early life and education:

• Good

Early ventures (1994-2001)

• Good

Rising with Donnie Yen Stunt Team (2002-2011)

• The second paragraph should be checked for tone
  • In particular: "Mark Schilling of The Japan Times complimented the action scenes galore choreographed by Tanigaki, and while Andrew Skeates of Far East Films bashed on the film's plot and CGI, he pointed out that the action scenes are fluid and well-staged with climax."
    • 'Galore' doesn't make sense here.
    • 'Bashed' should be replaced with a more neutral word
    • "...he pointed out that the action scenes are fluid and well-staged with climax." should be replaced with a quote

Breakthrough with Rurouni Kenshin (2012-2019)

• The word 'lauded' is not commonly used and should be replaced

Broadening opportunities (2020-present)

• "Isaac Chambers of Far East Films praised the action scenes but criticized the clichéd plot and lame jokes."
  • 'clichéd' and 'lame' should be omitted or this should be reworded as something like: "Isaac Chambers of Far East Films praised the action scenes but criticized the plot and jokes calling them clichéd and lame.

• "...with him after a trip to Japan and their meeting."
  • ' and their meeting' should be omitted or rephrased as "...with him after they met during a trip to Japan.' or something similar.

• 'Susan Hornick of South China Morning Post credited Tanigaki for the "truly stellar" sword work.'
  • 'sword work' should be changed to 'sword choreography' or, since the wording is included in the source, it should be included in the quote.

• The word 'lauded' is not commonly used and should be replaced

Personal Life

• What is the exact year? Is there another source besides a magazine?

• Do they have any children?

• This is the weakest section in the article.

• 'learnt' The article does not specify whether it is written in British English or American English or another. I assume you want the article to be in British English since you are a 'Hong Konger,' but to me, it reads as American English.

Filmography

• Good. Looks consistent with other articles of the like

Awards and nominations

• Good. Looks consistent with other articles of the like

That concludes what I would have written if I was to review the article for GA status. If you think that these are warranted and have helped then I can apply for GA and get a second opinion. BigChrisKenney (talk) 03:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@BigChrisKenney: Hello BigChrisKenney! I scanned through your comments and found them very helpful and constructive. I will address all these issues asap. However, I am a bit confused, because you have essentially provided a full review of the article. Take another recent GA nomination of mine as example (Talk:Louisa Mak#GA Review), I felt your review was about 80% complete and likely only needed an image review (only one was used in this article) and a source spot-check. I am curious about what stops you from fully reviewing it, as you are almost there. Perhaps you could reconsider doing a full review, so that your efforts will not go to waste and this review can be counted under your belt? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Prince of Erebor I am truly grateful for your comments. In the coming days, I will do just that. Wikipedia is an endeavor for the whole world to understand itself. I will review my additions with your comments in mind. BigChrisKenney (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@BigChrisKenney: It is alright. I respect your decision. I have copyedited the article based on your valuable suggestions regarding grammar and paraphrasing in the body sections. However, regarding the personal life section, I feel there is not much I can do. Kinema Junpo is a reputable magazine, and I do not think citing it would differ from citing Vanity Fair or Harper's Bazaar. The exact year of marriage and whether Tanigaki has children are not mentioned, even in primary sources or on his social media accounts. (Personally, I believe he does not have kids, which makes it even harder to prove the absence of something.) Since Tanigaki is an action choreographer, rather than a behind-the-scenes figure like a film director or screenwriter who might attract more media attention, his personal life is likely to be low-profile, leaving little to write about. I do not think a brief personal life section violates any GA criteria. (One might argue it constitutes MOS:OVERSECTION, but I do not find it reasonable to put his marriage, residence, and language proficiency in other sections of the article.) Anyway, thanks lot for your feedback! I hope to see you leading a review of your own in the near future! Cheers and happy editing! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Kenji Tanigaki/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BigChrisKenney (talk · contribs) 02:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Nominator: Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） I've decided to review the article in full. I'm going to add our previous coorespondence from the article's talk page.

The following are old comments

You've nominated this article for GA status and I think that it is very close to that already. I initially signed up to review articles via the October 2024 Backlog Drive, but upon looking how much it all takes, I am daunted. I sat on the GA article review creation page for your article for at least an hour as I looked at other reviewers' methods. I have concluded that I may have taken more than I could chew.

I've read through your article and started looking at the sources. Were I to review the article, I would have written the following:

Early life and education:

• Good

Early ventures (1994-2001)

• Good

Rising with Donnie Yen Stunt Team (2002-2011)

• The second paragraph should be checked for tone
  • In particular: "Mark Schilling of The Japan Times complimented the action scenes galore choreographed by Tanigaki, and while Andrew Skeates of Far East Films bashed on the film's plot and CGI, he pointed out that the action scenes are fluid and well-staged with climax."
    • 'Galore' doesn't make sense here.
    • 'Bashed' should be replaced with a more neutral word
    • "...he pointed out that the action scenes are fluid and well-staged with climax." should be replaced with a quote

Breakthrough with Rurouni Kenshin (2012-2019)

• The word 'lauded' is not commonly used and should be replaced

Broadening opportunities (2020-present)

• "Isaac Chambers of Far East Films praised the action scenes but criticized the clichéd plot and lame jokes."
  • 'clichéd' and 'lame' should be omitted or this should be reworded as something like: "Isaac Chambers of Far East Films praised the action scenes but criticized the plot and jokes calling them clichéd and lame.

• "...with him after a trip to Japan and their meeting."
  • ' and their meeting' should be omitted or rephrased as "...with him after they met during a trip to Japan.' or something similar.

• 'Susan Hornick of South China Morning Post credited Tanigaki for the "truly stellar" sword work.'
  • 'sword work' should be changed to 'sword choreography' or, since the wording is included in the source, it should be included in the quote.

• The word 'lauded' is not commonly used and should be replaced

Personal Life

• What is the exact year? Is there another source besides a magazine?

• Do they have any children?

• This is the weakest section in the article.

• 'learnt' The article does not specify whether it is written in British English or American English or another. I assume you want the article to be in British English since you are a 'Hong Konger,' but to me, it reads as American English.

Filmography

• Good. Looks consistent with other articles of the like

Awards and nominations

• Good. Looks consistent with other articles of the like

That concludes what I would have written if I was to review the article for GA status. If you think that these are warranted and have helped then I can apply for GA and get a second opinion. BigChrisKenney (talk) 03:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@BigChrisKenney: Hello BigChrisKenney! I scanned through your comments and found them very helpful and constructive. I will address all these issues asap. However, I am a bit confused, because you have essentially provided a full review of the article. Take another recent GA nomination of mine as example (Talk:Louisa Mak#GA Review), I felt your review was about 80% complete and likely only needed an image review (only one was used in this article) and a source spot-check. I am curious about what stops you from fully reviewing it, as you are almost there. Perhaps you could reconsider doing a full review, so that your efforts will not go to waste and this review can be counted under your belt? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Prince of Erebor I am truly grateful for your comments. In the coming days, I will do just that. Wikipedia is an endeavor for the whole world to understand itself. I will review my additions with your comments in mind. BigChrisKenney (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@BigChrisKenney: It is alright. I respect your decision. I have copyedited the article based on your valuable suggestions regarding grammar and paraphrasing in the body sections. However, regarding the personal life section, I feel there is not much I can do. Kinema Junpo is a reputable magazine, and I do not think citing it would differ from citing Vanity Fair or Harper's Bazaar. The exact year of marriage and whether Tanigaki has children are not mentioned, even in primary sources or on his social media accounts. (Personally, I believe he does not have kids, which makes it even harder to prove the absence of something.) Since Tanigaki is an action choreographer, rather than a behind-the-scenes figure like a film director or screenwriter who might attract more media attention, his personal life is likely to be low-profile, leaving little to write about. I do not think a brief personal life section violates any GA criteria. (One might argue it constitutes MOS:OVERSECTION, but I do not find it reasonable to put his marriage, residence, and language proficiency in other sections of the article.) Anyway, thanks lot for your feedback! I hope to see you leading a review of your own in the near future! Cheers and happy editing! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Below are new comments

Early life and education

"He had seizures at a young age and was physically weak, but since he enjoyed playing in the wild, Tanigaki recognised [spelling error] that it developed the physique that would benefit him in his future career as a stuntman"

• After reading the article again, this sentence might need to be broken into two or reworded. I read the original source and it doesn't say that he played in the wild to develop his physique in order to benefit his future career. I feel the current sentence is misleading.

Hey BigChrisKenney, thanks for continuing the review! I remember stumbling a bit while writing this part too, so I appreciate your feedback. In the second Q&A, it mentions that climbing trees and slopes gave Tanigaki a good physique, but does not explicitly state that this physique helped him become a stuntman. I included this clarification to emphasize that "the physique" clearly refers to Tanigaki’s abilities as a stuntman, rather than as an athlete or bodybuilder, which I believe it is permitted by WP:SYNTHNOT. But I agree that this might be misleading and could border on original research, so I have changed the sentence to: "He had seizures at a young age and was physically weak, but Tanigaki considered that his childhood spent playing in the wild helped him develop a strong physique naturally". —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Images

The current head image is good.

It would be nice to beautify the article, but there aren't any pictures related to Kenji Tanigaki on wikicommons as of now. Leaving it bare is also largely consistent for articles of the type.

Yes, that is unfortunate. I have conducted a thorough search for usable photos and videos, but have not found any. I suppose that is all I can do regarding the images aspect. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Sources

1-38 Good

39 Is no longer available. clicking on the link sends you to a page that states "The content you viewed has been archived out of date, thank you for your attention to Xinhua," then directs you to the Xinhua main page.

40-71 Good

Thanks for your thorough source check! I just tried accessing both the original and archived URL links of the Xinhua source, and I was still able to open them. However, if some computers cannot access them, I should consider replacing them with a better source. I have changed it to a Qianjiang Evening News source, please take a look! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it might be a VPN issue with Xinhua, but Qianjiang checks out. BigChrisKenney (talk) 02:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

BigChrisKenney (talk) 02:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Final Assessment

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar):
   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (references):
   b (citations to reliable sources):
   c (OR):
   d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects):
   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail: BigChrisKenney (talk) 02:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Prince of Erebor:Updated to GA. Congrats and thanks for your hard work! BigChrisKenney (talk) 03:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)