Talk:Kemonomimi

Interwiki Linking (mainly concerning about Chinese)

Currently this article links to the Chinese Wikipedia page of "KemoLoli"(ja:ケモロリ/zh:獸人蘿莉-lit. beast man loli(ta)), or young kemono girls. However another page with the title of "Nekomimi"(ja/zh:猫耳,lit. cat ears) also exists in zh-Wikipedia. To make things more confusing, both pages link to Kemonomimi in the English version! Which page should be linked from this article? --Kakurady 15:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the nekomimi one should link to catgirl and vice-versa? --Squilibob 04:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

And being an article on Japanese culture, I'm surprised to find that this article does not link to a Japanese version of it.--Kakurady 15:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I find some writers direct certain pages concerning Furry/Kemono-and-Loli/Shota to equivalent pages of other languages mistakenly... Meanwhile I am doing the re-organization in the Chinese side, and I guess some work may also be needed around the European language circle.

Here is a simple list of what I think the "exact" equivalence would be to different languages. Please consider and correct it if needed. Thank you. ~ Polobird 09:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Kemonomimi ←→ zh:獸耳 (Current writing) ←→ es:Kemonomimi ←→ de:Kemonomimi

• Catgirl (Redir. Nekomimi) ←→ zh:貓耳 ←→ ja:猫耳 ←→ is:Kisustelpa (Icelandic, preliminary confirmed)

Catgirl/Nekomimi should be an element within Kemonomimi but they are not equal nor do they oppose each other.

Catgirl/Nekomimi does not necessarily equal to Kemololi because of the age that "Loli" defines and "Cat" is an element within Kemono/Animal.

• Kemololi (X) ←→ zh:獸人蘿莉 ←→ ja:ケモロリ (X)
• Kemoshota (X) ←→ zh:獸人正太 ←→ ja:ケモショタ

Kemololi and Kemoshota are supposed to be under Kemono and Loli/Shota issues at the same time.

The list

List examples by character please. To see a list by series visit Category:Kemonomimi. The See also section is not a place to inter-wiki link these series again when the category does the job just fine. --Squilibob 10:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Isn't Ran kind of a bad example

Since she has a crazy hat over her ears?

Yeah, but she was the best free use representation of kemonomimi I can find. _dk 09:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

organized a new example pic with various original characters --Yamavu (talk) 13:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

human/animal cross

Is this about human-animal crosses, or humans dressed up as animals? Becuase the lists of characters contains humans characters with costumes that exhibit animalistic qualities (like novelty cat-ears). 70.55.85.97 18:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Kemonomimi refers to any characters that feature minor animal characteristics, like catgirls. As mentioned in the article, it's not important if the characters have their ears and tails attached naturally or as a costume. --Yamavu 17:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Bagi is a furry?

Slirmhead stated that Bagi is a furry character, not a kemonomimi. I reverted his changes for now, but I must say, that Bagi definitely is on the crossroad between furry (in this case: Kemono) and Kemonomimi. I kinda disagree that Bagi is a plain and simple furry character, because Tezuka Osamu is known for his talking animals (like in The Amazing 3 or Unico). He has not created his characters as a tribute to the furry fandom. As for the character design of Bagi herself, the character is less a catgirl because she has many more visible animal features than the average catgirl (which has feline ears, tail, paws and behavior pattern). But I wouldn't describe Bagi as an furry character either, because the animal features are less prevalent than in most furry artwork and the roots of the character definitely lie in Anime.

Personally I was content with mentioning this character as disputed in the character list. But since here on Wikipedia we should search for a consensus, I have to ask What's your opinion on this theme? --Yamavu (talk) 15:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't really name a commercially successful furry character "created as a tribute to the furry fandom" - they were all created for other reasons. In my opinion Bagi is a kemono, an animal, rather than a kemonomimi, a human with animal ears -- not only because she's much less physically antropomorphic, but also because her character and actions are purposefully non-human. --Cubbi (talk) 14:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Right, well, she certainly isn't kemonomimi, so I'd go with kemono. Slirmhead (talk) 03:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Dragonball's Saiyans

Should they be considered Kemonomimi? In my opinion, early Dragonball Goku should be the only one, since the Saiyans weren't known of at the time, and Goku loses his tail later on... Not to mention that he's the only truly notable possessor of the Saiyan tail. --Juunannio 08:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Son Goku is the best known example of the Saiyan Race. But he loses and regains (I think) his tail. In Dragonball GT he even gets fur. This shifting might cause a little confusion for an encyclopedia. I think that was the reason for the choice of words here. --Yamavu (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

List of Kemonomimi

I think it would be more encyclopedic to seperate the list of examples from the Kemonomimi article. There is no good summary on what Kemonomimi, and I think we really should work on that.--Yamavu (talk) 09:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion for external link

It seems the article has no external links offering additional material as of yet. I would like to know if the site at [1] would qualify as a useful link. It is a PotD site dedicated to sharing art of female kemonomimi available on the internet, more specifically nekomimi, inumimi, usagimimi, kitsunemimi, and occasionally less common forms of kemonomimi (most of which are included in the term "yataramimi", which is also where pictures based on a looser interpretation of "kemonomimi" can be found). There is also an about page with extra information for those interested, further adding functionality. Perhaps the only drawback is the presence of a few NSFW images, but these are clearly tagged as such in the archive page ([2]).

I'd like to hear someone's opinion on the matter, but it seems that this talk page isn't commonly accessed. If some time goes by without any comment, I will add the link myself, although I'll still be open to thoughts for and against its use in the article. Sakinho (talk) 15:01, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Well it has been over a month and still no answer. As I said, I will add the link. Perhaps then someone will notice the this talk page. I'd still like to hear what others have to say. Sakinho (talk) 12:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Really people?

I was reading through this list, and noticed Donald Duck in the bird section. Seriously, by the articles definition, these are anime/manga/game characters taking on traits of animals. Donald Duck is an American Anthropomorphic toon, borrowed by Square Enix in their joint venture with Disney for Kingdom Hearts. Read: anthropomorphic. An animal taking on human traits, not a human taking animal traits. I'm say the fact he's not originally from a anime/manga/game styled franchise is iffy by this definition too (I would argue that being a Japanese concept it refers to mainly characters from Japanese series or non-Japanese works styled after it). I also removed Harpies. Greek Mythology does not fall in this category either. I'm a anime/manga/game fan myself, and I find Kemonomimi (what a name...) rather cute at times, but adding things to this category just cause they're people/animal mixes regardless of origin and type. I'm gonna do a final check and remove all I find that are dubious. Btw, I'm pretty sure this is an example list, not a complete list, so it doesn't hurt to leave one off if you aren't sure. Garnet avi (talk) 23:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

List page?

The page seems more to resemble the criteria for a list page than an article page.じんない 01:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

But it shouldn't, seriously. Like on the german article I removed the list and look forward to writing an overview about the most usual kinds and the usage of kemonomimi in popular culture. List of Kemonomimi was created, cause I don't like to lose that content. --Yamavu (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

The list is entirely original research and at its very heart is WP:LISTCRUFT and should be removed. You are not going to find any reliable sources that will say "Character X is a Kemonomimi". Of course, it doesn't help that the base article is entirely without sources and full of original research itself. --Farix (Talk) 00:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Gjinka

Gjinka should be mentioned somewhere in the article,they're a type of Kemonomimi. 98.14.15.12 (talk) 23:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC) Gijinka is somewhat related but the article undergoes significant changes and would need some verifiable sources as well as extension.--Yamavu (talk) 18:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Dubious

I've marked the reference to this ANN article as dubious because the reference is being used to define Kemonomimi, but the article itself actually doesn't define the term. --Farix (Talk) 13:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree because it does define them by way of what their cooperation is. Its a "Kemonomimi Corporation" and it defines what Kemonomini are.じんない 00:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary

I had proposed this in the AfD, but what about moving this to Wiktionary? It seems it would be more appropriate there and it is still under the Wikimedia Foundation.じんない 08:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Consensus was Keep in the AFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemonomimi not eliminate and put a redirect to a the Wiktionary. And how can there be a Wiktionary entry, when there isn't a link to anywhere that list the definition? That was the reason some, or actually in the AFD just one person, was against the article existing. Dream Focus 00:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

There is no independant reliable sources on the subject. I should know - i scoured the internet and several references books. If they exist they are truly beyond reach. You can always userfy the older article and improve it, but I am fairly certain if I put this up for AfD today, it would be deleted given how much i've looked for such sources. Wikitonary doesn't require sources for definitions - the kanji itself in this case is the proof. That's good enough for Wikitionary, but not for wikipedia.陣内_Jinnai 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Example of Kemonomimi

Here a blatant example of Kemonomimi [3] --KrebMarkt 07:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)