Talk:Kate Greenaway

Category:Kate Greenaway Cards (Greeting and Trade)

Kate Greenaway Cards - This may be a site worth adding as an external reference. It contains images of many greeting/trade cards illustrated by Kate Greenaway. http://www.kategreenawaycards.com

I have just looked at the above site and it contains a good representation of her works. I think that something about her cards illustrations should be added to this wikipedia page (Greeting, Trade, Calendars etc). From what I understand she originally started as a card illustrator (of which there are many set attributed to her). If someone has some information then it would be worth expanding what is currently here.--61.68.234.139 01:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Illustrators of fairy tales

What is the fairy tale illustrated by Kate Greenaway? --Wetman 04:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the external link list her works, you will see several. Also, the Pied Piper illustration is on this page. Goldfritha 04:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

untouched by the Industrial Revolution?

"Her first book, Under The Window (1879), a collection of simple, perfectly idyllic verses concerning children who endlessly gathered posies, untouched by the Industrial Revolution, was a best-seller."

What was untouched by the Industrial Revolution? The posies, the children, her simple verses? Kingturtle (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Source links

Links are for later expansion

• http://books.google.com/books?id=gSDnAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA15&lpg=RA18-PA15&dq=perfect+little+book&source=bl -perfect little book
• http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Kate_Greenaway.aspx
• http://www.amazon.com/reader/0882898671
• http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/245130/Kate-Greenaway

Quote: "Mention of Kate Greenaway will serve to characterize the now customary crop of juvenile picture-books consisting of colored prints of little folks, and appropriate verse" p49 Lundin, Anne (June 1993). "Under the Window and Afternoon Tea: "Twirling the Same Blade of Grass"". The Lion and the Unicorn. Volume 17 (Number 1). The Johns Hopkins University Press: 45–56. doi:10.1353/uni.0.0311. ISSN 0147-2593. {{cite journal}}: |issue= has extra text (help); |volume= has extra text (help) -"Christmas Books." The Nation 12 November 1885: 409.

Smallman12q (talk) 01:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Revert to lead

Victoria's lead seemed to be an improvement, and not too long as the edit summary that reverted it said. Bmcln1, in what way is it POV? SarahSV ^(talk) 22:07, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

"successful", "extensive", "quite popular", "two decades", "revolutionize" Bmcln1 (talk) 05:17, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Restored the previous version of the lead, as I agree that it is not over-long. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 22:39, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks better. I'm hoping Victoriaearle might still be interested in working on it. SarahSV ^(talk) 00:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I hope Victoriaearle will also be interested in adding references to her work instead of eliminating them. I'll be back in a couple of months to see how it's getting on. Bmcln1 (talk) 05:20, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you FreeKnowledgeCreator for the revert. Per Bmcln1's request I've supplied references for what I can verify. I've not gotten far enough in the bio to find the page numbers for Frognal, but will add when I get there. I'd wanted to check the text first, and as it happens found at least one sentence lifted directly from a source (now rewritten), but per the challenge to provide referencing have done what I can for now. Some of the text still needs checking. Victoriaearle (tk) 13:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Lead

It's a bit choppy at present. I don't know the source material well enough to round it out - perhaps VictoriaEarle or Sarah can? Kafka Liz (talk) 14:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, very choppy. I just slapped it together off the top of my head. I tend to re-write leads once the sections in the article have been expanded but it's early days yet. Victoriaearle (tk) 14:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I just spent about 15 minutes trying to link your name properly. Glad you're more on your game than I am! Any road, I'm here now, and been on something of a Victorian kick - lots of Dickens and Collins - so. Kafka Liz (talk) 14:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how well I'm on my game, but I do need to do some brainwork. Thanks for your work here. I'll start expanding sections as soon as I'm able. Btw - can't go wrong with Dickens or Wilkie Collins. I took a quick look at The Woman in White (novel) before posting this. So many articles, so little time. Victoriaearle (tk) 14:48, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Overhaul

A thorough one is needed. Kate Greenaway had a very solid career in children's illustration as well as a life whose end merits more than a throw-away sentence in the lead. Phiz she may not have been, but she was still hugely influential, and the article should reflect that. Kafka Liz (talk) 21:51, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

For years it's been on my list of pages to expand. While I was out, I decided to work on it when I came back. I'm only sketching in broad strokes right now, haven't done all the reading, but it's been in this state for so long that I think it's ok to work slowly. I have to be out for the next few days, but I do have a preliminary structure in mind. Will post ideas later. You're going nice work Kafka Liz - huge thanks. Victoriaearle (tk) 23:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, as the one with all the sources, you're doing all the heavy lifting, and I respect that. Take all the time you need - it's a big project and I certainly wasn't trying to rush you. If you have any .pdfs or stuff that I can access online, let me know, and I'll try to get caught up on the reading. Kafka Liz (talk) 09:14, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

My plan was to work on it in October for breast cancer awareness month and maybe get it to GA status & run at DYK by the end of the month, but I've run into some complications and doubt that will happen. Maybe by next year. In the meantime I'll do as much as I can. There are only two biographies, Spielmann's is out of copyright and available on the web - linked here to g-books but it might be elsewhere too. It's very dated, but everyone quotes it, so I think it's ok for some basic info. The other biography is Rodney Engen's Kate Greenaway: A Biography, [1], but not available to read on the web. I thought about getting it from interlibrary loan, but that's not practical for me right now. If I decide it's really needed I might buy a used copy. I managed to view a few pages in Devereux's The Making of Women Artists in Victoria England, that were helpful. Haven't streamed in that info yet. When I get a chance I'll send on the pdfs I have; mostly to do with style/themes, that sort of thing.

The structure I have in mind is something like this: an early years section, one for education, one about her freelance work as a card designer, another (probably with subsections) about the work for Edmund Evans, and then a later years section explaining why she stopped working (lots of copycats, loss of revenues, illness, etc). After the biographical info, there should be sections devoted to style, themes, reception (the clothing, tea sets, etc), and legacy. So I have the structure in mind, just have to get to the reading and writing of it. Victoriaearle (tk) 16:00, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Forgot to add: short biographical sketches also available at de Grummond Collection, and at CMU. I haven't yet mined the Baldwin Library, but know that a lot of images are available there. There are other libraries, too. Also, Oxford biography (can't remember the name for that. ODNB? or something) would have a bio, but I don't have access to it. Victoriaearle (tk) 16:29, 1 October 2017 (UTC)