Talk:Kaçkar Mountains

Pontic Mountains

Are the Kaçkar Mountains the same as the Pontic Mountains? According to their respective articles, they have the same highest peak. Someone who knows more on the subject may want to propose a merger... 164.107.201.116 01:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I did propose a merger. Baristarim 01:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

They're not, I strongly oppose. Kaçkar is small but important section of Pontic mountains. The relation is of larger mountain chain and smaller range. An example from different mountain could be High Tatras, which also have the same highest peak as Carpathian Mountains, and aren't the same, and the idea of merger would be absurd. Or Dolomites, which are Alps, but not vice versa, and merge would be absurd. --Wikimol 21:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Wikimol. Moreover, I believe that the Turkish name for Pontic Mountains, Doğu Karadeniz Dağları, suggested in the Pontic Mountains article, is wrong. AFAIK it means "East Black Sea Mountains" and although it may not be identical to Kaçkar, it describes an area much smaller than what Pontic Mountains really are. Pontic Mountains is the whole mountain range along the Turkish Black Sea coast, i.e. its Turkish equivalent would be tr:Kuzey Anadolu Dağları (Northern Anatolia Mountains), which both Doğu Karadeniz Dağları and Kaçkar are part of. --Zeman 14:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I also agree with Wikimol. The Kaçkar mountains are a distincive and important enough part of the Pontic mountains to have their own entry. They also are geologically different from other parts of the Pontic mountains, and the local inhabitants are ethnically and culturally different. Meowy 18:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

merge Pontic Mountains (refers to mountains from samsun to georgia) = Kaçkar Mountains. See:de:Kaçkar_GebirgeMust.^{T C} 16:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont agree with Wikimol! Kaçkar Mountains are not small at all. They are quite large in fact, if you consider the whole range from Verçenik to Altıparmak. Though I agree with him on the account that Kaçkar does not equate with Pontic mountains which are even a larger range. 88.235.95.43 17:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I would oppose (maybe). My only point is that the Pontic Mountains are a distinctly identified physiographic province, and the Kaçkar Mountains are not, though they may be a smaller physiographic section of the Pontic Mountains province. I would have no objection to the Kaçkar Mountains being a section within the Pontic Mountains article though. wbfergus ^Talk 13:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

The etimology of the word "Kaçkar"

The author of the article claims that the Kaçkar is an Armenian name, without referring an etymological source. In the dictionary prepared by Turkish Language Associations, a governmental association which works on the Turkish language and the etymology of the Turkish words, Kaçkar is a locally used Turkish word. It means high, rocky, cliff location. However, the author does not find this reference reliable. An association working on etymology should apparently be good enough as an etymological source.

The name Kachkar could have derived from Köşker families, who are thought to be descendants of an old Türkmen branch who migrated to Anatolia from Central Asia in 11th or 12th century. The name resembles to Kashgar, which is an old Turkish word. Kashgar is also a name of a city in Uygur Region of China (Urumchi) where Turkic Uygur people are living. A very similar word Kochkor is used by Kirghiz people, and Koshgar by Kazaks. I will write more about the connection later. (http://msakyuz.tr.gg/K-Oe-%26%23350%3BKER-A%26%23304%3BLES%26%23304%3BN%26%23304%3BN-TAR%26%23304%3BH%C7ES%26%23304%3B.htm)

It is important to use information from more sources while writing an article, especially about the origin of words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasemin83 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Turkish government sources are unreliable when it comes to Armenian onomatology. You also neglect to mention the additional reliable source from the Historical Atlas published by the University of Chicago Press

^ Robert H. Hewsen. Armenia: A Historical Atlas. — University of Chicago Press, 2001. — 341 p. — ISBN 0-226-33228-4, ISBN 978-0-226-33228-4. P.212. "River between the port of Atina (now Pazar) on the coast and the great inland peak called Kajkar (Arm. Khach'k'ar) Dagh 'Cross-stone Mountain'"

In addition it is common knowledge that many mountain peaks in the Armenian Highlands bear a stone cross (Khach'k'ar in Armenian) which is a historic tradition of the Armenians. If you don't believe me just Google "stone cross armenian khachkar mountains". Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 16:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

We always need third-party (i.e. non-partisan) sources when it comes to these etymological information in Turkey. The Turkish government, who is the chiefly responsible for the Geographical name changes in Turkey program, is not a reliable source. There are way too many third-party sources that state the opposite. The Turk Dil Kurumu doesn't even provide etymological information for more obvious geographical name changes such as Gelibolu (Kalipolis) and Malazgirt (Manavazkert). Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

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Do the glaciers still exist?

can anyone read https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=ka%C3%A7kar+glaciers&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_ylo=2019#d=gs_qabs&t=1698583165710&u=%23p%3Dg8Ng6HVlGr0J If they still exist could someone add a more recent and reliable source as I have not found one yet Chidgk1 (talk) 11:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)