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"Controversies page"

there sure is a bunch of unsourced statements here. and backing up greenpeace's accusations with greenpeace propaganda? give me a break!

all gone. - Unsigned statement by M.U.D. (talk|contibs) on 9 November 2007 04:50

There are quite a few sourced statements in that section. The article is cited exactly the way it should be and you had no business removing that section. When an accusation by an established group such as Greenpeace or PETA is made, it is notable and as such acceptable for inclusion. You may not like the organizations, but it is inappropriate for you to delete the content based on your biases.

Because of your bias, these statements have been restored. If you keep deleting them there is the possibility that you will be blocked. - Jeremy (Jerem43 07:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC))

If they ARE to be mentioned, it should be also mentioned that, based on sales, these protests have had absolutely NO effect. Otherwise, a single person, protesting the fact that the chain uses red as its primary color is of equal notability.

I'll check back in a week; if this has not been corrected I will correct it myself or simply delete the section enitrely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laughing at you (talk • contribs) 18:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Discontinued Items

The ETC Marinade was 14 minutes not a whole day. For awhile they changed the recipe of "Original Recipe" also by marinading the chicken in salt water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.94.14 (talk) 10:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Maryland Fried Chicken and Kentucky Fried Movie

The "See also" section is for related topics that are not mentioned in the main article, not for any article that has a couple of words that sound similar. There's no reason to include Maryland Fried Chicken or any other competitor of KFC; there's no reason to mention a movie that just happens to make reference to the former (and current) chain name of KFC. THF 22:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Disagreed. It's for topics that are related, sometimes in a tangential manner, and indeed those links are. Keeping them out is needlessly nitpicky. I'm restoring them. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 23:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

How are either of these topics related to KFC? THF 01:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

See also means "If you're interested in this topic, you may also be interested in...". They don't have to be subject inclusive. Kentucky Fried Movie is derived from Kentucky Fried Chicken. And Maryland Fried Chicken is a derivative company. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Note, I won't challenge the prod of Maryland Fried Chicken, so if it goes, then I'll accede to its removal here, obviously. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Why would someone interested in reading about KFC be interested in reading about Kentucky Fried Movie? That's a non sequitur: the latter has absolutely nothing to do with the former beyond the title. Nor is there any reason to mention a minor fried-chicken chain that ostensibly competes with KFC any more than there is a reason to mention Wendy's or Popeye's or Church's or Arby's, especially when the article has absolutely no content. THF 14:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

That the movie title is derived from Kentucky Fried Chicken makes it a legitimate See also. And if the Maryland Fried Chicken article is kept (hypothetical), it's an interesting See also as it's a similarly named chain. See also's do not have to be in the same subject space as the article subject. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

• Agree - Maryland Fried Chicken has its special place at MFC. Or else I must suspect that this attempt is advertisement-related. If Maryland Fried Chicken et al are competitors & they're related, then they should be in the body paragraphs - infos on the competition. (Wikimachine 23:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

Third opinion

Response to request at WP:3O:

• The link to Maryland Fried Chicken would, in theory, be acceptable if it is a genuine competitor of at least a state or regional level (ie. not just a couple of branches somewhere) and the article offers the reader some information beyond "Maryland Fried Chicken is a chain of restaurants in the United States." Even if it does not get deleted, it would need to serve the reader properly in order to be a "See Also" link. Put yourself in the mind of a reader and you would feel very short changed by that link! So I think that it should be removed or at least restricted to body text until/unless the content improves.
• That film seems to bear no relation to KFC other than the title. This link has perhaps slightly more value (because of its content) but I can envisage the reader being a little bit confused by the apparent absence of a tangible link. The title might have been an arbitrary choice. In the interests of compromise, however, you could leave this link in place. Though it would help if an explanation for the title could be found.

I hope that helps you both. Adrian M. H. 18:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand this reasoning. Why not include every fried-chicken chain as a see also? Why not include every movie or beverage or geographic location that mentions the word "Kentucky"? (Kentucky Fried Movie has nothing to do with KFC, other than the name, which is a joke: movies can't be fried, much less kentucky-fried, ha ha.) Burying the "See also" section in dozens of irrelevant links hurts the article. THF 18:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

If Maryland Fried Chicken ends up being deleted, the issue is moot. If it's not notable, it doesn't deserve a link at all. But re: Kentucky Fried Movie, the title is obviously a play on Kentucky Fried Chicken, even if the movie isn't about what it suggests. It is a topic the reader might also be interested in reading about. Why make such a big case out of this? It hurts nobody. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, it hurts the professionalism of the encyclopedia, so it hurts Wikipedia to have a substandard article. And, again, there's no reason to single out Maryland Fried Chicken, and you haven't identified any reason to do so. Create a template for fried-chicken restaurants if you want links to every fried-chicken restaurant in every fried-chicken article, it doesn't belong in the See also section when it's unrelated. THF 18:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

(EC) Which is why the first link would only be suitable if it was a genuine competitor. I assume that there are a small number of strong competitors to KFC? (This is certainly the case in my country, where there is, at best, one strong rival with anything more than a regional presence). At least one competitor should be included to maintain neutrality. The other link could stay as a compromise, but if you do not wish to compromise and would rather push for both links to be removed, I will have to leave you to that. I have provided my opinion in good faith. Adrian M. H. 18:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

No other article on any other consumer vendor has a "See also" section where competitors are listed. I don't see why KFC should be singled out, much less why Maryland Fried Chicken is the one vendor named when there are a dozen more significant ones.

Again, I don't object to a Template:Fried chicken franchises if someone wants to create one. But it doesn't belong in the See also section. THF 18:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Let's just keep Kentucky Fried Movie and be done with it. After discussion, I see no real need to list competitors, and a template might be a good idea. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Kentucky Fried Movie has just as much right to be here as Chicken Little. I rest my case. User:Tastywheat/sig 07:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, the first is obviously influenced by the subject, and the second one isn't. I see no case rested. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 22:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

No, both use words from "Kentucky Fried Chicken". Neither has anything to do with the movie. User:Tastywheat/sig 05:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

So, Kentucky Fried Movie was named from out of the blue, then? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I say drop the movie reference. Other than the name of the movie itself, there is no relationship whatsoever to the food chain. Therefore, I don't see a point to having it linked here.HubcapD 00:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with dropping the movie reference. I haven't seen the movie, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the movie have absolutely nothing to do with Kentucky Fried Chicken, not even using it as a prop or story element? If that is the case, then the deliberately joking title of the movie is not information about the fast food chain. Under those circumstances, it would be easier to argue that the movie Tapeheads would be more relevant: Roscoe's Waffles and Wings, which serves fried chicken just as KFC does, is an important part of the story. Drop the reference. VisitorTalk

I'm amazed at how many seem to misunderstand what "See also" means. It links to articles that the reader might also be interested in looking at, given their reading of the current article. A subject with a similar name that's obviously based on "Kentucky Fried Chicken" is related enough for a "See also" link. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But Stevie, the only thing about the movie that is related to the fast food chain is the title. The movie is not about Kentucky or food from Kentucky; it's not about chicken, fried or otherwise; it's not about food at all; it's not about Col. Sanders. It's just a series of comedy sketches with the completely arbitrary title that was picked as a bit of meaningless, anarchist humor. There is no reason to imagine that people interested in a history of chicken fast food would also be interested in a sketch comedy movie, merely because the moviemakers chose to put a completely meaningless, unrelated title onto their movie. VisitorTalk 07:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC) 07:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I plan to remove the Kentucky Fried Movie reference soon. There is no evidence that a reader interested in an article about a fast food chain would also be interested in a completely unrelated movie with a similar name that was chosen as a joke by the filmmaker. For comparison, the articles about Taurus (astrology) and Ford Taurus (vehicle) do not refer to each other in the "See Also" sections, for exactly the same reason: someone interested in an ancient horoscope symbol cannot be assumed to be interested in a modern automobile that happens to have been named after it, and vice versa. I believe the burden of proof is on Stevie to demonstrate the value of the "see also" link. "There are two words in common in a play on words" is not a compelling argument about similarity of content. VisitorTalk 05:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with VisitorTalk, remove the KFM link. Jerem43 18:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hehe. KFM has about as much relevance staying in this article as "Clerks 2" does for McDonalds. SpANG! 15:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I see someone else beat me to the removal of the reference. I recommend that this entire discussion be archived and the RFC tag be removed. VisitorTalk 08:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

KFC nickname

The correct year when KFC started to use the nickname was 1986 when they made a new bucket design. It says so on a KFC poster.

Charge for use of recipe

The correct amount that the Colonel charged for use of his chicken recipe was 5 cents a head (a whole chicken), not 5 cents a piece. 64.186.57.226 20:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Controversies surrounding treatment of chickens

This was a huge issue a while back. Quite a lot of media coverage, as I recall. Why hasn't it appeared in the controveries section? 74.242.103.81 18:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Much of the content of the controversies in the US section was removed in late June 07 without discussion. I have gone through and found documentation for that section and will be replacing the removed content - mostly about animal welfare concerns.Bob98133 15:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with at least mentioning this controversy, although it appears to take up more space than is appropriate. Also, the line about what an anonymous member of a group said is unencyclopedic. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Which line has an anonymous member quoted? I agree that's not right, but I didn't think I put something ike that up. Also, I agree this could be shorter, but my suggestion would be to remove the rat-in-KFC incident. I think it was discussed before that it happens at lots of restaurants and, while it's disgusting, it's not really controversial.Bob98133 16:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

What the anonymous Adele Douglass said is unencyclopedic. Anyone can say anything, and as she's just a member, I don't trust this as a finding of fact. Just because somebody is quoted in a newspaper doesn't make it worthy for inclusion. Further, I was talking about reducing the new material, not other material. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 16:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Adele Douglass is a Director of the American Humane Association, so perhaps adding that would make her comment worthy? At one point, this article just had something like - "PETA is protesting KFC" and not too much else - so there has to be a bit of what the controvery is about and I think it's right to include KFC's defence. And both sides should be documented or referenced. For awhile, this page showed a picture of people protesting but had no text at all to explain why. How would you suggest it get shortened? Maybe it's a separate issue, but do you think the rats thing is noteworthy enough to include as a controversy? Thanks. Bob98133 16:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm puzzled as to why it wasn't mentioned in the first place that Douglass was a noteworthy figure, so, yes, that _probably_ makes her comment notable as long as her position is noted. And I think I've already alluded to this, but YES, I think the rats thing is noteworthy enough for inclusion. Bottom line: Please update the text to ensure noteworthiness of Douglass' remark. As for reducing, that will probably happen with copyediting over time anyway, so let's drop that for now. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 00:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Old Move requested

This is not the current move request, please see below

- Jerem43 16:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

This'll be back at the same place as the article soon, hopefully. Children, if you're going to contribute to Wikipedia by moving articles around then please spare an hour or so to drop a note first. Article naming was well-discussed before. Chris Cunningham 22:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Colonel Sanders quote AGAINST the people who took over

Colonel Sanders had something to say about what happened to KFC after it was brought from him.

I found THIS gem in a book on sociology in a section about the corporatization and regulation of our lesure activities (Mcdonaldization.)

"That frigging . . . .outfit . . . . They prostituted every goddam thing I had. I had the greatest gravy in the world and those sons of bitches they dragged it out and extended and watered it down that I'm so god-damn mad." (qouted in Ritzer 1993, p.64)

Sociology; Themes and perspectives Australian edition by Haralambos, Van Krieken, smith and Holborn (c) 1996 Longman P. 364 Corrupt one 00:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Please provide a complete citation. Not the textbook, but where did the textbook get the quote from? Just saying "Ritzer 1993" isn't sufficient information for including the Colonel's criticism in the article. =Axlq 15:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for section merge

I think that the International operations section should be merged with the List of Global locations section as since the former seems to reinforce the data in the latter.

Any Opinions?

Jerem43 17:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

KFC vs Kentucky Fried Chicken

Copied from User_talk:Thumperward user dicussion page. I believe that this is the proper place for the discussion. Jerem43 15:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

KFC has begun to identify themselves as Kentucky Fried Chicken again, the article be damned - the company is calling themselves Kentucky Fried Chicken. So if the company decides to call themselves Kentucky Fried Chicken we have to also. Look at their web page and see that they have the name Kentucky Fried Chicken emblazoned across the top of the page, NOT KFC.

I am going to make an edit that will fix it all. Please stop being so proprietary about the article :-).

Jerem43 14:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

technically, last I checked, we go with whatever is most commonly used, not what the company uses. I'm not going to get involved in this, but I've not heard someone say Kentucky Fried Chicken and not been advertising for the company-- and even then most of the company's ads still say just "KFC" --lucid 14:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh-huh. The company name is still KFC, the web page be damned, and I imagine this will need fixed again tomorrow, but don't let me stop you from having fun. Chris Cunningham 14:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

There are lots of things that are commonly called one thing that is not their proper name. As I look through Wikipedia, I find that the proper name is the article name and the commonly used name is created as a redirect link to the properly named article: Coca-Cola is the official name of the soft drink and is commonly called Coke. The Coca-Cola Company also has the trademark for the product under both names, but the article is still called Coca-Cola, not Coke; People still commonly refer to the former AT&T networking division as Lucent but the proper name is Alcatel-Lucent. There are dozens of examples of this, and the same should apply for for Kentucky Fried Chicken/KFC.

I believe that Thumperward's argument goes against the policies and spirit of Wikipedia.

Jerem43 15:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

And I believe that I have better things to do with my time than go back over the long and arduous series of arguments which led to the current article title and introductory text. As for "the policies of Wikipedia", KFC is both the official name of the company and the most common name used to refer to it. Quite why you think that a web page's title overrides this is beyond me. At any rate, the article's title is now at odds with the introductory text, so unless you're going to bother going back through Requested Moves to get the article shifted this will end up going back over MoS concerns. Chris Cunningham 15:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The Company name is KFC but the restaurant name is being changed back to Kentucky Fried Chicken. Isn't the article about the restaurant and not the company that operates the restaurant?

Chris, to save you some time I looked at the original move discussion; the points made in it were valid at the time, however the situation has been changed since then. The company has decided to re-embrace their historical name: while the operator is KFC Corporation, they are now calling the stores Kentucky Fried Chicken in the US. Please look here, here and here for proof. Additionally KFC Corp is process of re-branding itself with a new logo, products, cooking oils and store formats, as seen here.

I think it is time that the Wikipedian Community revisit the naming issue based on the new data. I also believe that I can get visual proof that the reasons for the article renaming are now out of date with in the next few days.

Jerem43 16:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Until six hours ago the article already contained all the information you've provided, but didn't have any style problems concerning its title. I'm at a loss to explain why you felt this was worthy of rocking the boat for the sake of a marginal change in advertising strategy in the US, but I'm not going to spend much time getting into an argument over it. The infobox is now titled differently to the article and there's duplication where there was none before. At some point this will need to be fixed. Chris Cunningham 16:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The point is that this is not just a new advertising program, but a whole new re-branding that includes tens, if not hundreds, millions of dollars not just spent another round of ads, but new decor, signage, building layouts and much, much more. There is a newly redesigned store in the town I work in and they shuttered the whole operation for two months, gutted the building, built a new kitchen, a new dining room with all new decor and the new signs. Look at the links I provided you with and you can see my point, especially the VMSD.com one. An analogy that you might understand better was when Apple dropped the older MacOS 9 on PowerPC and adopted its current FreeBSD-based Mac OS-X on Intel Core. Yeah, they still supported OS 9/PPC for a few years, but after time the old MacOS was gone for ever (officially). Like Apple, this is a complete u-turn for the company and they way it markets itself to the public. Eventually, KFC Corp will re-name all of its stores as Kentucky Fried Chicken.

also:

1. I put this in the opening because it is a major turning point in the companies operations over the next few years;
2. I did not change the Info box to its current form, I had it as KFC/Kentucky Fried Chicken (reflecting the name transition);
3. My edit today resets it back to the original opening that was there before you cited it for needing factual citations (citations that I added) and the edits made yesterday by John Stattic, otherwise the opening is almost identical to what it was.
4. I looked through the article and it contained nothing about the company restructuring, its new business plans or new advertising. The last mentioned ads were from 2006, also looking at the changes logs going back to the beginning of August I can find no mention of the restructuring either. I can find no evidence that there is duplication.

Jerem43 17:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Then feel free to request a move back to Kentucky Fried Chicken, argue your case, and fix all the double redirects if it succeeds. That would at least indicate that you think this is a serious enough change of tack that the article needs to use a different main title. User:John Stattic used the "I looked at the US website" logic, which I don't believe is solid enough. The "duplication" thing refers to the intro having to use the full "Kentucky Fried Chicken" phrase more than once, which it didn't previously. Chris Cunningham 09:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Page move

Not seeing a move request having been initiated. If the editors involved in the recent intro changes don't feel that the changes are important enough to warrant a page move, I'm going to restore the original intro text. No proof to indicate this is more than a US advertising gimmick right now. Chris Cunningham 08:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Chris,
Read the citations, as stated before, it shows that this is not just an advertising gimmick. It shows a new store with the new (old) Kentucky Fried Chicken logo. Just because we did not request a move does not mean it is not true.

In order for you to make you happy, I did it just for you.

Jeremy

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

(Made on 17:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC))

Cited reasons for article move:

• Plans for company reformatting on ABCNews.com;
• Kentucky Fried Chicken name change Buzzel.com;
• Op-Ed Blog on the name change;
• New logo article on MIT.edu;
• New store format on VMSD.com.

These five examples show conclusive proof that KFC is in the process of rolling its name back to the original Kentucky Fried Chicken moniker and why the article should be renamed.

Please comment on this.

Jerem43 15:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• For: Reasons I stated above - Jerem43

• Oppose. We shouldn't be a tool of corporate image-making. One of the reasons we use common names rather than official names is so we don't need to participate in these campaigns. If the campaign is successful, and the common name does change, then and only then do we change the article name. Also note, in Australia the signs all still say KFC. Wikipedia is international. Andrewa 02:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose per previous. Nothing to suggest this is anything more than a US ad campaign at the moment, in particular nothing suggesting that the company's corporate identity is being changed. KFC is also the most common name used to refer to the company, so there aren't even any common-name concerns about leaving it where it is. Chris Cunningham 12:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• Mildly oppose per the two comments above, though as long as there is a redirect in place (as there currently is to KFC from Kentucky Fried Chicken) I don't think it's terribly important which name actually heads the article. Barnabypage 13:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose for the simple reason that the company hasn't changed their signage to reflect one definite name everywhere. Here in Germany, all KFC locations here in Cologne carry both the "KFC" (on smaller signs) and "Kentucky Fried Chicken" (on larger signs) designations. This has been the case since November 2003. Toni S. 10:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 05:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Changing intro back

Per the failed move request, the article's staying at KFC for now, so I'm restoring the previous naming in the lead. Thanks to Jerem43 for going the distance and following due process for the request, however; if the company's stance changes notably in the future I have no problem with a move being re-requested. Chris Cunningham 07:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

urban legend

There is an urban legend in Greece concerning KFC: The chickens are actually mutated products without beaks or feathers to make preparation quicker; and that's why 'Fried Chicken' renamed to KFC and the word 'chicken' is never mentioned in the menus (I haven't verified this). Does this legend occur anywhere else? Perhaps it should be mentioned in the article and find arguments and counter-arguments for this legend? Pictureuploader 07:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Check out the Snopes article on that very same myth (confirmed to be false): [KFC Mutant Chickens] --Chikinsawsage 07:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Another rumour is that kfc chicken contains ghb, which is unfortunately true! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.240.176 (talk) 00:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Kentucky Fried Cruelty?

The roughly 1 billion chickens killed each year for KFC's buckets are crammed by the tens of thousands into excrement-filled sheds that stink of ammonia fumes. The birds’ legs and wings often break because they’re bred to be too top-heavy and because workers carelessly shove them into transport crates and shackles. Chickens’ throats are slit and the animals are dropped into tanks of scalding-hot water to remove their feathers, often while they are still conscious and able to feel pain. KFC lets frustrated factory-farm and slaughterhouse workers handle live birds, so many of the animals end up being sadistically abused. At a KFC “Supplier of the Year” slaughterhouse in West Virginia, workers were documented tearing the heads off live birds, spitting tobacco into their eyes, spray-painting their faces, and violently stomping on them. This was discovered more than two years after KFC promised PETA that it was taking animal welfare seriously. KFC hides behind its Animal Welfare Advisory Council, even though five members of the council have resigned in frustration. One of them, Adele Douglass, told the Chicago Tribune that KFC “never had any meetings. They never asked any advice, and then they touted to the press that they had this animal-welfare advisory committee. I felt like I was being used.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.211.230.160 (talk) 00:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Is it really unionized in the whole western Canada?

I'm a full-time employee at KFC Winnipeg, but my wage is just little above the minimum wage in Manitoba. Besides, many of its team members don't have over time pay and no any pay for extra works and extra clean. Furthermore, my employers treat her/his employees like slaves. What's more, I never hear any unionization movement in Manitoba. Therefore, I doubt about this article on unionization in western Canada.

Fatck —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.143.72 (talk) 17:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

In BC, KFC employees are unionized. Wages start at 9.50$/hour.

Applause06 (talk) 20:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Where is Yanei?

A new user posted that there are 234 locations in a country/region called Yanei in the International Operations sections. Where exactly is this? Google doesn't produce any viable information.

Original text: "Yanei

KFC entered the Yanese market in late 1994 and by 2001 there were over 234 locations all over the country. In 2004 the chain merged with local chain, Mel Keety, a ice cream chain and in 2007 it took over a small conivence store chain Cho Vekka and runs 128 of them."

Toni S. 04:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

IP Vandalism. 75.109.93.147 has been doing this at the Wendy's article for weeks. I had to request SPP on that article to get him to stop. - Jerem43 06:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Number of employees ?

This pages lists KFC as employing 750,000 (with no citation). But KFC is owned by Yum Brands (who also owns Pizza Hutt, Taco Bell and some other fast food chains) and Yum Brands sales revenue is less have half of McDonalds while the Wikipedia page on McDonalds says they employ around 500,000.

750,000 for KFC seems far too high. Or at least unreliable.

This is important because no sales revenue figures are cited on this page, so researchers looking to establish how large KFC is will use this employee number as a proxy.

I suggest it be deleted unless a reliable citation can be found.

PS my estimate is that KFC sales revenue is around $2 - $3 billion. Byronsharp 11:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and remove it, nothing worse than some schoolkid doing a class presentation on KFC using figures off Wikipedia that some guy pulled out of his ass one day. For what it's worth, this page pegs the McDonald's number at "over 1.5 million" at whatever point the page was updated, so while the figure might be too high I doubt that it's going to be so for too long. Chris Cunningham 13:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

"Zero Grams Trans Fat"

I think that the article should be edited because although KFC advertises their product to have "zero grams" of trans fatty acids in their chicken, federal food labeling regulations mention that a serving of a product that has .499 of a gram of trans fat is zero. Clearly, if the KFC chicken product does not contain trans fat, the proper way to advertise a product is by saying "no trans fat." That's how they get you: "zero grams trans fat" vs. "no trans fat." Saying "zero" lets them get away with up to .499 grams.

You should try KFC's nutrition program on their website. Input in the system that you are to consume a regular style chicken breast, it says 0 grams trans fat. But if you input in the system that you were to consume ten of the chicken breasts, the actual total of trans fat is 3 grams. So literally, each piece of chicken contains more than zero trans fat, and less or at .499 grams. Akit 22:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Products that are animal protein based tend to have a small amount of naturally occurring trans-fat, especially parts like the fatty skin of a chicken. Statistically speaking you are correct, however I believe that the amount, less than .5g, is so small that they are allowed to claim 0g. If someone is eating ten breasts of KFC chicken alone indicates serious dietary concerns besides what trans-fat you would get from consuming the usual 1-2 pc KFC meals, the ten pieces is the equivalent to a full bucket of chicken from them. - Jeremy (Jerem43 22:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

Kitchen Fresh Chicken

Kitchen fresh chicken redirects here but there is no mention of this name. Josh (talk | contribs) 18:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• It was an advertising slogan from a little while back. - Jeremy (Jerem43 16:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC))

Deleted images

I deleted a whole bunch of images posted by 70.104.164.4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) that were reposts from the deleted List of KFC global locations article, they did not contribute any thing new to the article or were not reflective of any information in the article.

-Jeremy (Jerem43 16:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC))

Request for protection

I'm going to suggest protecting this page from vandalism because of the content, even if cited, defies common sense. I'm not even going to list it here, since it's available in the Nov 9, 2007 11:47 drafts. The number of quick revisions suggest an edit war. I also separated the Poundstone citation from the vandalism that letched onto it. MMetro 12:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Buckethead

The guitarist Buckethead always wears a KFC bucket on his head during ALL of his appearances.

What a loser. -Henry W. Schmitt (talk) 07:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If there was a pop culture or trivia section it should be mentioned, but their aint —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.15.44 (talk) 04:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• The guitarist Buckethead NOT always wears a KFC bucket on his head during ALL of his appearances. --Say Headcheese!--hexaChord² 01:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Barbeque Ribs?

Not mentioned on discontinued products, but does anoyone esle remember or know what happemned to the meals that included two pork ribs (it was still available at least until the mid-eighties in the UK). Dainamo (talk) 13:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Add number of locations in each country next to each flag?

Since the List of global KFC locations was deleted several months ago, I was wondering whether it would be possible to at least place the number of locations in each country next to the applicable country flag (in "()"). This would give a general idea where KFC's key markets are located. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toni S. (talk • contribs) 17:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Add Costa Rica to map

Currently, Costa Rica is not added on the locations map where KFC is present, but Costa Rica has had KFC since more than 20 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.65.166 (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Buffets

Some have buffets in them. ADD THESE. I have been there, should know. You have the "All you can eat" option at these places. 65.173.105.241 (talk) 00:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Second that...I worked in a buffet version in Des Moines, Washington in the early '90s. It's since ended it but I've seen them around as well on trips. --seattlehawk94 (talk) 07:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Bucket & Discontinued Menu Items

"The Rotating Buckets The large tilted motorized spinning Kentucky Fried Chicken buckets were designed in Roanoke by Leonard Goldstein in 1961. " http://members.cox.net/lendys/lendys5.htm - about a third of the way down the page.

Jmj - If you're going to add info, it's easier to line up your references first and include them so others can verify what you say. This web page looks like a home-built history of Lendy's, but if this reference exists there must be others.

ALSO: Does anyone else think that the discontinued menu section could be discontinued (and deleted)? Or, if someone thinks they are vital, perhaps they could become their own page of Discontinued Fast Food Menu Items. That section seems more like nostalgia than encyclopedia.Bob98133 (talk) 16:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Last Call! If there are no objections I'm going to remove the "discontinued menu items" section in a couple of days. Thanks Bob98133 (talk) 15:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Leave it alone, unless you have a valid reason as to why it should be removed besides WP:Idontlikeit. Failed business practices are very encyclopedic, should we delete information on the Edsel or Netscape since they are no longer around? --- Jeremy (talk) 16:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't feel that strongly about it - it just seems more silly than encyclopedia. Even the GM article only lists models (current or discontinued)for a reason - like size or body style, but they don't have separate sections on The Biscayne, The Belaire, etc. Edsel and Netscape both had some historic importance in their respective industries. Is the same true for Extra Tasty Crispy KFC chicken? Did dropping this item have some impact on the industry, or is this just trivia or nostalgia?Bob98133 (talk) 17:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

offensive section in Canada cleaned up

It was obvious that someone who created this section had quite bitter views on franco-anglo relations in Quebec. Ive made an effort to elimante this abusive tone. Some concerns here is that the comment about France was not related directly to `canada`and the comment regarding that the company is the only one in qunbec to change its name or few is false, many companies operating in quebec understand thhe prefereed language of speech in a region in Quebec and use a french name, shoppers drug mart can be seen as pharmaprix, Macs can be seen as Couche tard( open late). and these are just off the top of my head, as well if you travel to Quebec between the province of Quebec and ontario you will see many stores which based on the local preference will use either french or english,(this includes cities like ottawa and some of those in Northern Ontario which is why there is language laws to protect certain cities preferences to language, it isnt only english the sign has to be in but in french too to respect both language. This was a clearly abusive and offensive section which was completely biased and whoever wrote it should be ashamed to call themselves a true canuck....I am indeed offended by the tone that was used. Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning it up. Note that "Mac's" is Couche-Tard because Couche-Tard is actually the mother company (though I remember the days back when it was Provi-Soir). There are other examples, such as Staples which is Bureau en Gros in Quebec and Mark's Work Wearhouse, known as L'Équipeur. But yes, adapting the brand name to the market goes both ways, and not necessarily because of laws. "Chez Cora" uses "Cora's Breakfast and Lunch" outside of Quebec, simply because "Chez Cora" would suggest something French and thus fancy in English speaking markets, and that's not the image they want to project.--Boffob (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I added a couple of "citations needed" tags, in part because we need to know whether KFC was ever known as Kentucky Fried Chicken in Quebec (that would depend on when it started having franchises on the territory). The second one is because I doubt there ever was a obligation to francize corporate names which according to the current paragraph, was removed in the early 90's. Both Burger King and Dunkin' Donuts expanded into Quebec in the early 80's, and neither have been known under any other name.--Boffob (talk) 17:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Since no one bothered to source anything in over 3 months, I removed the contentious part of the paragraph. Some of what's left is still unsourced (whether the name change occured after the first franchises appeared in Québec or if it happened from the get-go), but KFC was known in Quebec as Poulet Frit Kentucky, then PFK, so that is kept.--Boffob (talk) 05:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Chicken balls?

Here's an item in the "menu" section:

Chicken Balls - This was the Colonel's answer to the increasing Oriental influence on North American cuisine in the mid eighties. However, the chicken balls were discontinued once the public realized that they could not keep their 'ball' shape for very long.

I have no idea what that last sentence is supposed to mean. Anyone else? Graymornings (talk) 06:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The edit was made by Aleppard on March 1. Appears Canadian based from possibly constructive edits on Ontario towns, but this user also has 2 counts of confirmed history of vandalism, with this and another nonconstructive edit in All Dogs Go To Heaven not yet acknowledged. I have eliminated the offending comment. MMetro (talk) 07:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Picture

They don't have french fries at KFC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.122.93.41 (talk) 22:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• They do at mine. 70.22.154.184 (talk) 18:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

4.252.253.65

I undid the edits by this contributor. While there were several contributions to the article that were good, many problems were reintroduced:

• The edits added several red wikilinks
• Their were links to deleted images
• The trivia references in popular culture sections that were deleted months ago and folded into the article were re-introduced. This edit troubled me the most as it appears that the author was attempting to undo all edit to the article since the time that the sections were removed by adding a copy of what was there originally.
• he removed almost all data from the Company Infobox
• The international locations section that was simplified was restored using older link forms and formatting
  • [[image:flag of France|20px]] France instead of {{FRA}}
  • He used a table instead of {{col-begin}}/{{col-end}}

--- Jeremy (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

KFC in Belgium???

According to the map there are KFC outposts in Belgium?!

As a belgian citizen I can tell you this in incorrect. I know of no KFC restaurants in Belgium (it is a small country) and an Internet search could not dig up any information to support there are restaurants in Belgium.

So, in what else is wrong with this map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.67.101.111 (talk) 18:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Your info is definitely correct. I've often wondered why there is no KFC in Belgium. Did they ever try to enter the Belgian market? I know Quick does very well there and that is the reason why some other American chains can't prevail in Belgium. However, KFC does have locations in both neighboring France and the Netherlands.Toni S. (talk) 19:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

On closer inspection the map and the list of global presence embedded in the article are not in sync. The list seems to be more correct than the map. For example, the map incorrectly does not highlight Turkey while it is correctly present in the list. Also, Belgium is not present in the list. Maybe the map should just be updated to be in sync with the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.192.38 (talk) 02:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Kentucky Grilled Chicken

There's currently reports that KFC would like to change the name to include "Grilled Chicken" with a view to phasing out "fried" to make it sound more healthy... maybe it needs adding in.

• http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080324/tbs-kgc-colonel-s-recipe-is-grilled-327c223.html
• http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30400-1310445,00.html
• http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2432594720080324
• http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/outthere/2008/03/finger_lickin_grilled_in_san_d.html

172.200.123.111 (talk) 19:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

it sound like another attempt at creating a healthier product akin to the Colonel's Rotisserie Gold from a few years back. This could be mentioned along with the CRG in the discontinued products section.--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 19:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I think this belongs somewhere in the lead. It's not a "discontinued product." It seems to be a new major change in the branding of KFC. Should the brand campaign fail at some point in the near or far future, it would be appropriate for a "discontinued" category. Acsenray (talk) 17:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

It is appears to only be a new product introduction. They made a very big thing of the Rotisserie Gold line when it was introduced, as they appear to be doing with this new product line. Right now it appears that the company is trying to garner some pre-release hype on the product. If this product is successful and redefines the company as whole, then it should be put in the lead section. Until then it is only a test product, and should be noted as such in the product section. Once it is introduced then more detailed information can be added to the advertising section and other sections as needed.

Trust me on this, as a 25-year veteran of this industry, I can tell you that a lot of fast food companies have come out with highly hyped products that were going to change the company as a whole, only to see them fail spectacularly. BK Baguette or Arch Deluxe anyone? --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Spin Off - Kentucky Roast Beef

In the late 60's the company branched into roast beef and ham sandwiches under the name Kentucky Roast Beef. Most were operated by Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises as part of their chicken restaurants, although some were free standing restaurants.

Reference: http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/imlseastside&CISOPTR=763 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.14.171 (talk) 00:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Are they still going strong?124.106.136.179 (talk) 16:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion for new KFC products article

I believe that we need to start a new article on products that KFC sells. Mainly because the current sloppy list is mainly US centric and many products that are available in the US for example, are not sold in Australia and vice versa. Maccas and Hungry Jack's / Burger King already have their own product articles, including articles for individual products. I believe KFC should go down the same path. Thoughts anyone? --Lakeyboy (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Makes this article easier to check against vandalism. MMetro (talk) 12:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Unlike the other two companies, KFCs menu is incredibly limited. Fried chicken, on the bone, as strips and as sandwiches. They add burgers and ribs in some countries, plus desserts and salads. They have grilled chicken coming out in North America, and they sell kebabs in some countries, what else is there? --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 16:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, it depends on how specific we want to go in terms of products listed. I think it should be structured as follows:

• You would have the original recipe chicken first in it's own section, as it is the flagship product and available worldwide
• Major products which are available in a majority of countries
• List of products which are only available in one country. Subheadings to be by country.
• Section on side items (chips, potato & gravy etc.), drinks and desserts.

We do not want to breach Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information so how far should we go in terms of detail? Is the above suggestion of article layout suitable? --Lakeyboy (talk) 23:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The problem with that choice is how much detail do we need? Take for instance the Pizza Hut article, people added every single product & variation that was sold in every country that PH did business in. It took me three days to pare it down to something that was manageable. The existing section has several international variations already in it. Look at the Burger King products article and you can see the article goes beyond the list of products. Unless the article can be expanded beyond a list of products, you will get an AfD sooner or later.

The Burger King Products article had two AfDs, and the only reason it wasn't deleted the second time was because I significantly expanded beyond a list of products. Can you do this with the KFC products article? Are you willing to do it right? It needs to involve a significant amount of citations that conform to WP:Cite guidelines in order to with stand the inevitable WP:Not challenge.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 02:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it can be included that KFC offers products called the "Chicken Thali" and "Veg Thali" in India [perhaps other countries as well, but I don't know about that]. These products are mainly served as something to match the Indian palette. They both include Rice and a gravy, but the chicken thali contains a piece of Hot n' Spicy chicken while the veg thali contains a few pieces of a fried vegetable fingers.

Varunpramanik (talk) 06:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Varunpramanik 3 October 2008

Year of debut

• I think the taxobox should say something like this:

1930 (original)
1952 (foundation)

instead of 1952. What do you think? --20000 ^Talk/_{Contributions} 19:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. But you, as an indef-blocked user, will need someone to clarify this for you. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 06:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 06:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Kansas (etc.) Fried Chicken

There are many "knock off", unaffiliated, chicken restaurants in non-middle-class areas. Examples include Kansas Fried Chicken and Kennedy Fried Chicken, both using the same color schemes as Kentucky Fried Chicken

I would recommend that a heading be added such as "Imitations", with a link at least this site: <http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SIGNS/friedchicken/chickenshacks.html>

No, that's just asking for spam. MMetro (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually that touches upon trademark issues, which can be very pertinent. There is possible infringement that may fall under the Lanham act, an example of a case like that would be here. I do believe that their has been some legal tussling over this before. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Italy?

The list of countries states Italy has KFC. However, it's not highlighted on the map. Which is right? Giamberardino (talk) 04:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Turkey

I have eaten at KFC in Turkey. The map is innacurate - it does not show Turkey in blue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultegra (talk • contribs) 17:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Buckets Update / name created

{{editsemiprotected}} The bucket was created by Leon "Pete" Harman at his Salt Lake City location. He purchased 500 surplus red and white tubs and put 14pc of chicken, pint of gravy and 5 rolls for $3.50.

I dont have a web link to back this up, but the History Channels: America Eats cites this in their program, I also worked for Harmans the franchise who created the KFC name and idea.

The name came from petes sign painter Don Anderson. He said "Well, the man (Colonel) lives in Kentucky, so why not call it kentucky Fried Chicken!" to pete. Kentucky meant Southern Hospitality so the sign was painted on the window.

The pictures ordered by country, Singapore is out of order. Ross.king (talk) 04:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Partially resolved: I've re-sorted the images. However, the other recommendations you made seem to contradict what the article is currently saying, so I would need to see a source before making that change. Happy editing!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 11:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Terms "value" and "savory"

A recent edit by User:Bob98133 concerning the terms "value" and "savory" under the belief that they were POV terms was incorrect. Here is why:

• value - in the fast food field, the term value refers to a particular segment of the market. It is targeted at individuals looking for lower cost products. Please see value menu.

• savory - In this context savory does not mean delicious, instead it refers to products that are not sweet. Any pie, such as a pot pie, that is not a sweet dessert style pie is termed a savory pie. Please see Umami.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 15:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. I see that value menu has a meaning, but this term was created to serve marketing purposes. The word value, used in the context which I deleted, did not link to this, but implies that there is greater value buying these products than some other product. I do not believe any comparison has been done to compare the value of a "value" meal with purchasing other products not considered value items. Is the price per ounce less? It does not make sense that buying a smaller portion will save money, or produce some sort of value, since products are generally cheaper per unit when purchased in bulk. All this term means, as it was used, is that the product is cheap, not that there is any value involved. Using this term simply promotes this disingenuous marketing approach. If there were no other word in English that means "cheap" I would agree to this, but otherwise it's POV.

My New Websters lists your definition of savory as the 4th entry. First two entries refer to pleasing to the taste. Since this word is used in advertising the product, the intent is clearly to promote the assumption that the product is good tasting, so using it promotes the confusion. If the product is not sweet, why not say "not sweet"? Savory is confusing in that it implies that the product is somehow better tasting than some similar product.

I think the text should be reverted to remove, or clarify, these weasel words. Bob98133 (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Websters is an American dictionary and does not reflect a global perspective of the English language. In British and Commonwealth usage savory often is used in reference to umami instead of the appetizing definition. Savory does mean other things but in this context it is proper usage when referring to the concept of savory in relations to food. I put the word in there when I rewrote the section to read less like an ad, and in association with the pot pie link confirms the meaning.

As to usage of value, it is a market segment that relies on value theory. While it was originally a marketing term, it now refers to the loss leader programs in place at almost all fast food and fast casual restaurants. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 19:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Market segments, value theory...OK, so it applies to a loss leader. Then let's call a loss leader a loss leader instead of a "value" item, since the term value has other, well-defined meanings that are better known than this.

If there is confusion worldwide about the meaning of a word, then perhaps a word, such as savory, would be best replaced with a word or term that is not confusing, like "not sweet." Bob98133 (talk) 20:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

KFC in Winnipeg Canada

Throughout the 60s to early 80s, KFC in Winnipeg Canada was known as Champ's Kentucky Fried Chicken, as it was owned by a local chain. This company was partially or fully sold in 1991 to a foreign company registered in Ontario: http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ica-lic.nsf/en/lk-39106e.html.Winni-Pig (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)Winni-Pig

Secret recipe

Here's an article about the security and information about the secret recipe if anybody wants to incorporate it into the article:

• KFC shoring up security for secret recipe --Nehrams2020 (talk) 23:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe... -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 05:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

the map needs updating

there is a kfc in turkey check it out http://www.kfcturkiye.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.125.81 (talk) 22:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

There is. You're quite right. I'll correct this as soon as I can. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 06:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

OK... I see this has already been  Done. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 04:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

localized kfc sign near tian an men square

that isn't a kfc sign. it's a sign for yong he da wang - a taiwanese fast food chain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.250.185.146 (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Yea someone should delete it, but its funny though because that guy look like the KFC guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.209.7 (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

KFC 1980s logo

I ran into a debate about the introduction of the former logo. Jeremy says it's 1991, but I say it's the 1980s. But Jeremy verified this on my talk page:

Peter O. Keegan (1991-02-21). "KFC shuns 'fried' image with new name - Kentucky Fried Chicken has changed its name to KFC". Nation's Restaurant News. Retrieved 2007-08-24.

Any questions? -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 15:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I think the name change serves two purposes: It gets away from the "fried" image and the unhealthy conotation. Additionally, KCF is easier to pronounce and remember for non-english speaking people. China is now one of the largest markets for KFC. This trend is common with other brands: Cadillac uses initials for its cars (DTS, STS, CTS) but it used to use names such as Eldoroda or Seville. Ford changed the Lincol Zepher to MKZ, BMW does not use names. IBM and HP refer to themselves using initials, etc. 11:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)xports —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xports (talk • contribs)

Shocking scandal

Employees in a KFC in New York have been caught doing really nasty things in the sink of the place. Just saw this on the news, as of this timestamp. Two women, one man stripped down and bathed in the kitchen sink. This is just making news. Powerzilla (talk) 03:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Recipe

The original handwritten recipe, along with vials containing samples of each of 11 herbs and spices, is kept locked away at the KFC corporate headquarters in Louisville, Kentucky. Only 2 executives have access to it and to maintain security, the company uses multiple suppliers each providing only a portion of the final ingredients.[12]

The source [12] link is wrong. Not sure if i should edit.

Vertic (talk) 11:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like the stuff of Urban Myths anyway. The batter is little more than flour and pepper and some kind of shortening or syrup. There may be a few herbs and some onion powder but the whole '11 secret herbs and spices' thing is, in all likeliness, just a marketing ploy. Can't they just run sample analyses on these kinds of things? I thought I'd read about that last time I visited this page but I suppose it was un-supported as it's no longer mentioned. Fudge-o (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Locations Gallery

I have added a location pic for one of 2 (a third is scheduled to open somewhere in Cologne in the next couple months) current KFC locations in Cologne, Germany. The shown location is located at Hohe Straße 120-122 in downtown Cologne near the Dom (Cologne Cathedral). It was a former Pizza Hut location until 2003 when a co-branded KFC/A&W location replaced it. Unfortunately, A&W was not successful here in Germany (all 3 locations - Berlin (Kurt-Schumacher-Damm), Cologne reverted to a KFC-only outlet in late 2005; the Berlin location followed in 2007. The Garbsen location closed in late 2005). I do have a higher-res pic of the former co-branded location from 2003. I can post it instead if anyone is interested. Otherwise, I will take a new pic once I have some time to go by that location. Toni S. (talk) 18:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Vintage KFC Menu

Vintage KFC Menu, makes for interesting pictures and a nice historical reference. http://www.flickr.com/photos/1773/2491103491/in/pool-menus

More can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/menus/pool/ --24.26.76.98 (talk) 02:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggested correction

It's minor, but shouldn't:

Several PETA undercover investigations and videos of these and other KFC suppliers purport to show chickens being beaten, ripped apart, and thrown against walls contradict KFC’s claims.

be:

Several PETA undercover investigations and videos of these and other KFC suppliers purport to show chickens being beaten, ripped apart, and thrown against walls contradicting KFC’s claims.

Sorry if this is a dumb thing to bring up; I'm new, I'm not sure what gets fixed here.

(I'm commenting this here because I'm not autoconfirmed.)

Rebbing (talk) 16:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Cravin' Filet discontinued. Why?

KFC came out with this sandwich awhile back, which was an exact copy of Chick-Fil-A's sandwich. (fried chicken breast, 3 pickles, metallic bag) I'm wondering if this was due to poor demand or some legal action by Chick-Fil-A, as it was an *exact* copy. Either way, this needs to be added in the discontinued section.

Also, in most stores I've seen, KFC does not have multiple chicken sandwiches,as the article says. After the demise of the Cravin', the only one they say they have is the Tender Roast. 74.227.144.181 (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Never heard of the Cravin' filet around here, and my store does have multiple types of sandwiches. 63.87.189.17 (talk) 18:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Kentucky Nuggets

It states in the article that kentucky nuggets were discontinued, but you can still buy them in Australia. The nuggets are also listed on the menu on the Australian KFC website. I wont change anything because I don't know how to put in the reference, but if anyone else feels like its worth changing then feel free.. cheers. Fionaalison (talk) 16:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

AP piece

I've added as an external link an Associated Press story that goes into some detail about KFC's business history. Please allow the link to stay until/if its more complete details become added to this Wikipedia article (using the AP piece as a source). Thanks. ↜Just me, here, now … 20:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Chicken Littles Discontinued?

I believe they still sell these at my local KFC...

Wikipedian314 (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Colonel's Scholars Program

It would be nice if someone added information about the Colonel's Scholars Program to the KFC page. See:[1] 75.50.90.221 (talk) 23:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Grilled Chicken

KFC has grilled chicken now. It is actually pretty good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.107.17 (talk) 20:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

2003 KFC ad incident & KFM

The "Advertising" section should mention this: In October 2003, KFC began airing two national television ads touting fried chicken as a healthy diet choice. When I first saw these ads, I thought they were a joke. When I realized they were serious, I was flabbergasted at the rank absurdity of the claims and at KFC's chutzpah. Needless to say, there was a swift public backlash, culminating with CSPI filing a complaint with the FTC. The ads were pulled within a month. Start your research by Googling "KFC healthy ad".

I'm also surprised that the Kentucky Fried Movie article doesn't mention the movie's obvious title source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.177.8.185 (talk) 21:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Giant Chicken

Could someone add a picture of the restaurants with the giant chicken? 169.233.58.204 (talk) 21:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

PFK image

Hello, I wanted to put an image of PFK, as KFC is called in Quebec. There's a picture at French Wikipedia here and the page there says that it's from Wikimedia Commons. I tried to put it but it didn't work. Could someone help me add the picture? Thank you. LovesMacs (talk) 00:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I figured out how to add the picture but decided against doing it because the logo and name are too small unless if I choose a large photo size. I have my own picture of a PFK that I could upload but I don't think the logo would scale any better. LovesMacs (talk) 01:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Iran?

American brand in Iran? Is it allowed in Iran? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.233.23.186 (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

wage increase NZ

Employees are now payed either $12 or $12.50 in New Zealand, minimum wage was increased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.185.13.219 (talk) 08:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

KFC in Moldova

There was recently a restaurant opened in Moldova, Republic of. Why wasn't it added to the to the map or list of countries? KuraiHikari (talk) 09:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Probably because no-one editing the page knew about it! Please do add it. Barnabypage (talk) 10:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

References

I'd like to go through the references which, while very good compared to 99% of Wikipedia articles, are somewhat inconsistent for retrieval dates and also the order of peoples names (Surname, Forename or just Forename Surname). before I do, I'd like any comments on which would be preferred:

• accessdate of 2009-08-17 as per {{cite}}, or August 17, 2009 as per WP:DATE.
• Surname, Forename or Forename Surname.

Any comments, I should be pleased to receive them here. SimonTrew (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)