Talk:KEYZ

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 02:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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• ... that KEYZ did not have commercial competition in Williston, North Dakota, for the first 37 years of its existence? Source (p. B-213)

• Reviewed: Alvin Dizon

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 23:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC).

• - 5 times expansion from 76 words to 421 words is good. Age is fine. Inline reference for hook checks good. No copyvio or plagiarism concerns. Earwig reads violation unlikely at 2.0%. Reliable sources are used. Hook is interesting and short enough. QPQ is done. Article looks Good to Go. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

• @Gatoclass: I see you had issues confirming the hook. I'm going to work on getting an alternate hook in place for this article as a result; it might require me to find one. Raymie (t • c) 03:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that radio station KEYZ owned a Beechcraft Bonanza and used it to cover its large broadcasting area around Williston, North Dakota? Source (p. 68/74)

It seems it wasn't at all unusual for radio stations to have their own aircraft to fly around. The article does mention however that "it was the only station in North Dakota to own its own aircraft in 1960", which might make the basis for a viable hook, however I was unable to confirm that fact from the provided source. Gatoclass (talk) 10:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: It's the only one in the table—that's the basis for that claim, which I've fashioned into a hook. Raymie (t • c) 17:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that KEYZ was the only broadcast station in North Dakota to own its own aircraft, a Beechcraft Bonanza, in 1960?

Speaking as someone who is not well-versed in this topic, a radio station having or owning an aircraft does sound interesting, regardless on how common it was during that time period. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

• Hi @Raymie: I think that ALT1 is more easily confirmed by the sources. ALT2 depends on the assumption that the table in that issue of Broadcasting [1] is accurate and comprehensive, and that the absence from the list of other stations in ND means that that KEYZ was the only station to own one. I think we would be safer just saying that KEYZ owned one, as in ALT1. Even if it was not unusual at the time, I think it's interesting enough now (and when I have pointed out in regard to another hook that a fact noted as unusual actually wasn't at the time, I've been told that the general reader wouldn't know that!). I find that more interesting than the original hook, too, apart from possible verification issues with that.

Reading the article, and ALT1 as it is, I was not at all sure how the station used the plane to cover its area (did they broadcast from it??) Looking at the source, I see that it does summarise the purposes that each station used their plane for. For KEYZ, it was used for news coverage, farm programming, special events, publicity & promotion, sales calls, executive travel, community service such as search & rescue (the summary is on p68 (the table), the explanation of the abbreviations is on pp 52-53). I have no idea what 'farm programming' is, but I wonder if you could add to the article, and then to ALT1, something about using the plane for news coverage and rescue, etc? RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

A lot of stations, especially in rural and agricultural areas like this, would have had programming specifically for farmers: market reports, interviews, etc. Stations even employed farm directors to head up this content. (Not quite as common today, but there are still several state-specific radio networks of agricultural news and information.) I have added a sentence to the article and am going to add this ALT3 for consideration, RebeccaGreen: Raymie (t • c) 18:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT3: that radio station KEYZ in Williston, North Dakota, owned a Beechcraft Bonanza aircraft and used it for news coverage, promotional events, and search and rescue efforts?

Approving ALT3. Hook facts are cited and sourced in the article. I have struck the other hooks, ALT0 and ALT2 as hard to prove, and ALT1 as less interesting. Thanks, Raymie! (And agricultural news makes sense to me - I just haven't heard it called 'farm programming' before.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't know why this has been sitting here for four days after being approved, so I will add another tick and hope that triggers the bot! RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:26, 21 November 2019 (UTC)