Talk:Kōka ikki

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 06:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

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( Article history links:

• Iga ikki
• Kōka ikki
• Iga–Kōka alliance

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• ... that in Sengoku Japan, ninja families established self-governed confederacies in Iga and Kōka which allied together? Source: Hook summarizes the articles and is therefore supported by numerous sources.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Margery Jackson; Template:Did you know nominations/North Carolina Council of State; Template:Did you know nominations/Neminath Jain Temple, Girnar

Moved to mainspace by 3family6 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Iga ikki; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @3family6: Good articles. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

SFN errors

Hi, @3family6, quite a lot of the Harvard citations you added are not formatted correctly. Mainly, there is no source cited for "Maltsev 2022", so those citations lead nowhere. Other citations that don't work are: "Balducci 2010" (should be "Balducci 2020"), "Deal 2007" (no source cited), "Turnbull 2017 & 83" (should be just 2017), "Souryi 2010", and two which are just "2007" and "2017".

I find the HarvErrors tool useful, maybe you would like it too. Cheers, Medarduss (talk) 11:49, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I've just checked Iga ikki; that article also has lots of SFN errors. Iga–Kōka alliance just has one. Medarduss (talk) 11:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll work on correcting those. That tool should be handy, thanks for recommending it.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Kōka ikki/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: 3family6 (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Z1720 (talk · contribs) 00:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Starting review. Comments will come below. Z1720 (talk) 00:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Prose comments:

• More information about its formation should be in the lede before the alliance is mentioned. How was this formed?
• "After centuries of rivalry with Iga Province to the south, eventually the district worked closely in alliance with Iga." -> "Although rivals with the Iga Province to the south, Koka District and Iga Province formed an alliance in _____ (put the year here) and developed a close relationship." Or something similar.
• "Formation" should be split into at least two paragraphs.
• As I am reading, I am very confused as to why Iga is mentioned so often. Many times, Koka is compared to Iga, or maybe they are the same thing? I think information on Iga needs to be removed unless it directly pertains to Koka, and comparisons between the two should be removed or perhaps mentioned very minimally (maybe once)
• "The historian Stephen Turnbull wrote that Takigawa Castle, associated with the Ōhara family, is a typical arrangement of these forts." The article should explain the arrangement.

I'm confused. I already do this in the subsequent paragraphs.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 21:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• "According to the Bansenshūkai, an early Edo period document compiled in 1676 by a member of the Fujibayashi family, in 1558, Rokkaku Yoshikata was campaigning against a rebel retainer, Dodo, and besieged him in Sawayama Castle." Too many commas; this needs to be rephrased.
• "Conquest" needs to be divided into more paragraphs.
• First paragraph of "Government" should be divided into more paragraphs
• "However, Maltsev hypothesizes that in the chaotic and violent environment of the Sengoku period, state formation was cost-prohibitive and potentially hazardous to Iga." How does this relate to Koka-ikki? This is an example of a sentence that can possibly be removed.

After the above are addressed, I'll have to do another prose review because I think there will be a lot of changes and trimming happening. I'll conduct a source review when the article is closer to what the final text will be.

Image review:

• Any images of the castles that the group occupied? Any images of members of the clans and what they might have looked like?

I'll put this on hold. Please ping when ready for another readthrough. Z1720 (talk) 01:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Z1720, I'll get to work on these.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@3family6: Are you ready for me to continue this review? If I don't get a response in a couple days, I'll close this as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 20:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720 Sorry, I've had trouble with my PC and haven't been able to get started yet. I'll ping you once I can resume. --3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Z1720 I borrowed my wife's PC and managed to go over the prose. I'm ready for you to continue the review. I apologize for the delay.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 21:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720, @3family6, any further progress? Ideally, this review should be wrapped up pretty soon. —Ganesha811 (talk) 16:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ganesha811 I'm waiting on Z1720's reply --3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been the one delaying this, real life has been busy. I will try to get back to this soon. Z1720 (talk) 17:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@3family6: I am sorry for the delay with this. I have been busy in real life. I took a new look because of how long it has been. Here are some comments:

• "The document provided for bugyō (military commissioners) to govern the alliance - 12 from Kōka and 10 from Iga - who would regularly meet along the Iga—Kōka border in which" I think this was a thought that was not completed.

Source review: Version reviewed

• No concerns with formatting.
• Sources reviewed: Refs 13, 44, 45, 46, 50a & b. No concerns.
• No plagiarism detected with earwig

Just one minor concern before this can pass. Z1720 (talk) 02:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Z1720 Thank you so much! No worries on the delay, I've only a few days ago resolved the computer issues I had. Yes, that was an incomplete thought. Fixed.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

This is resolved. Z1720 (talk) 22:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Image review 2: I just realised that you added images, which I need to look at. Here are thoughts:

• File:Sawayama-jyo01.jpg: needs a US public domain tag
• File:Escape of Ashikaga Yoshiaki.JPG: needs a US public domain tag
• File:Battle of Nagashima.jpg: needs a US public domain tag
• Suggest adding alt text, per MOS:ALT

No concerns with captions. There's a little MOS:SANDWICH with the first image and the infobox, which could be rectified by removing an image. Let me know if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 22:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)