Talk:Just the Beginning (Grace VanderWaal album)

Latest comment: 6 years ago by InternetArchiveBot in topic External links modified (January 2018)

Her official site doesn't double as album official site

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While I'm not doubting that there might be some cases where a website can fit as the official website for an artist and the artist's work, I don't see how it applies here. My thought was that the "Album trailer" link serves some of the purposes of an official site, especially in how it links to smarturl.it/GV-JustTheBeginning . --Ronz (talk) 00:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Sorry about my edit summary. It would have been better not to bring up any reference to past disputes. --Ronz (talk) 00:26, 2 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

OK, I've exchanged the link given for this specific page on her site that states that it is the official page for the album. Why don't you fix things instead of always blindly deleting? -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
That's a store site. It's a rather blatantly inappropriate. It's linked from "Store" on her official page.
They can call whatever they want an "official site" (I'm not seeing what you're referring to though), but we have guidelines and policies to follow. A music album will rarely have an WP:ELOFFICIAL link because an album is not a person or organization that can meet the purpose of ELOFFICIAL, "Official links (if any) are provided to give the reader the opportunity to see what the subject says about itself."
I'm not going to remove it at this moment in the hope that it will help us resolve this quickly. --Ronz (talk) 03:07, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
I must admit I would not add the link to the sales page, but the official site that was edit warred over does not beach WP:ELNO, and I would expect to see an artiste's official webpage linked. My suggestion would be to tom back to that one. – SchroCat (talk) 12:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Done. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Glad we're making progress.
Her official website doesn't belong because this article is not about her. External links should give insight and additional information directly about the subject of the article, the album. If editors want to learn more about the person, we have an article about her that includes her official website. --Ronz (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Yes, having a link to an artist's official website is progress, isn't it. It seems like common sense to have a link to the artiste's website. It won't replace our article, or (being at the bottom of a page which links to her three times) put people off reading our article on her, but will provide a sensible link to something very closely related. - SchroCat (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
People coming to Wikipedia for information about this new album need a link to VanderWaal's official website. If you don't like the homepage, pick which page you prefer, but you can't just delete a link to the artist's website. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
I'm not seeing any policy-based arguments for inclusion. Any further arguments? --Ronz (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
There are no policy-based arguments for exclusion. Your move. - SchroCat (talk) 19:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

As there's no further arguments, let's break down the entire section:

Do you disagree with the descriptions of the content of the webpages? --Ronz (talk) 18:13, 8 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Yes [adding for clarity: Yes, I disagree with your descriptions]. But mostly I disagree with your understanding of WP:EL and your ongoing attempts to deprive readers of useful links. Your persistently aggressive over-interpretation of ELNO is destructive to the Wikipedia project, and, again, I urge you to avoid dealing with EL issues and try some content creation. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Then, unless we hear otherwise from SchroCat or someone else, we agree on the description of the links. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 19:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
No, I responded that I DISAGREE with your descriptions of the links. I have clarified further above so that you cannot possibly misunderstand this time. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:32, 10 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Could you describe them then yourself, or point out what you disagree to? --Ronz (talk) 02:38, 10 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Whenever I see your name on my watchlist, I know that you have come to waste a huge amount of my time and the time of everyone else who contributes to the article in question. You have never contributed anything useful to any of those articles. Why don't you stop your obsessive behavior (I say "obsessive", giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that your actions are in good faith), and do something useful? You are not doing anything useful here. That is a certainty. You continue to harm the Wikipedia project by sucking up my time with your ongoing, crusade against ELs, so that I, and others, have to spend time answering your silly questions on Talk pages instead of researching and writing articles. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:57, 10 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Discussion started at Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#Just_the_Beginning_(Grace_VanderWaal_album). --Ronz (talk) 19:29, 12 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Good grief. Do you actually see how disruptive you are being over something so minor? This really is sub standard behaviour. - SchroCat (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
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