Talk:June 1962 Alcatraz escape attempt/Archive 1

Archive 1

What is the current consensus ?

Current consensus seems to be is that this may have been a successful escape. Please discuss here.

Bascially, in the past two decades some major substantiated evidence has come to light.

When the case was transferred from the FBI to the US Marshals (which I believe is standard protocol after a certain amount of time) all the files were examined in detail.

While the FBI never made it public, there’s 2 records stating that a RAFT WAS FOUND on Angel Island the next day, along with footprints leading away from the raft.

The general reports of no stolen cars in the area that night (it was stated by Allan West, the prisoner in on the escape attempt but couldn’t make it out of his cell on the night, that the three had planned to steal a car) are wrong. a 1955 blue Chevrolet was reported stolen, and it another possible piece of evidence, a motorist in Stockton, California (80 miles East of San Francisco) reported being forced off the road by three men in a blue Chevrolet driving at high speed)

Could it be the REAL question about the Alcatraz Escape is not whether the men survived, but what happened to them in later life?

Current facts

Bascially, in the past two decades some major substantiated evidence has come to light. When the case was transferred from the FBI to the US Marshals (which I believe is standard protocol after a certain amount of time) all the files were examined in detail. While the FBI never made it public, there’s 2 records stating that contrary to the official FBI report of the escapees' raft never being recovered, a RAFT WAS FOUND on Angel Island the day after the escape, along with footprints leading away from the raft. The general reports of no stolen cars in the area that night (it was stated by Allan West, the prisoner in on the escape attempt but couldn’t make it out of his cell on the night, that the three had planned to steal a car) are wrong. a 1955 blue Chevrolet was reported stolen, and it another possible piece of evidence, a motorist in Stockton, California (80 miles East of San Francisco) reported being forced off the road by three men in a blue Chevrolet driving at high speed)

The body that was seen floating in the bay by the Norwegian ship was believed to have came ashore at Point Reyes a week or so later. They examined the bones at this time and the proposed height of the person was an exact match to Frank Morris. (5′-7″) This body was exhumed and DNA evidence was obtained. The US Marshals were able to find a living relative of Frank Morris and compared the DNA. It was not a match. They did the same for a relative of the Anglins and it was not a match.

Everything about these sources seemed quite credible. The US Marshal in charge of the ongoing investigation is Michael Dyke, who I doubt would be involved in this research if the facts were sensationalized.

It’s interesting that the FBI didn’t admit that they had found the raft and footprints. But it’s not surprising. Alcatraz was held with great respect and I’m sure the FBI didn’t want to tarnish it’s image. Also, the FBI didn’t want to admit that the 3 could have gotten away. So they (very quickly) declared them drowned. Perhaps they also did this hoping the three would relax a bit and then become easier targets to find.

In addition, Christof Putzel, award-winning journalist and correspondent for Al Jazeera America. Paddling the same route in a replica of the makeshift raft used by the Anglins and Morris, they determined that due to the shifting tide, it is plausible that the trio could have paddled to Angel Island without a great degree of difficulty. Noting the documents mentioning a raft being found on Angel Island, and the 1955 blue cheroot being stolen, Putzel combed though hundreds of documents and discovered another report two weeks after the escape, mentioning a chevy of the same description making its way across the country over a couple months was spotted in Oklahoma with men who met the description of the escapees, a Chevy discovered in Indian, a Chevy spotted in Ohio, in South Carolina, three months after the initial escape, three men matching the description of the Anglin brothers and Frank Morris trying to acquire a hideout in the woods. Widner had to say about Morris; "in letters and conversations I've had with certain people, there's a very good indication that he left; I did kind of hear where I thought he went". Putzel went taubate brazil, where he discovered that there was a farm, called "The Farm of the Americans", and learned that residents recalled of seeing two American men rented the farm and living there from 1965 to the 1970's and discovered the nearby site of the 1975 photograph, called El Dutra, discovering similar large termite mounds similar to the one in the photo.

This convincingly give much support there were two American men living in Brazil, but it does not prove that the two men were the Anglin brothers; but regardless, this evidence is quite sufficient IMHO and needs to lend to the article being rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.202.63 (talk) 22:23, 4 April 2019 (UTC)