Talk:Juan Marichal

Marichal's Style

Nothing about Marichal's windup and delivery? The Invisible Man 03:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Metaphoria

saddling eventual career home-run king Hank Aaron with an 0-for-6 collar. -- How do you saddle someone with a collar? --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

A “collar” is a zero. 0 0-6 —hitless

F. L.  (talk) 22:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

1965 suspension

The Baseball Guide says he only lost one turn, not two. On the face of it, it looks like two is correct, but arguably the lineup was juggled to keep his departure impact minimal, pitching on 2 days rest just before the L.A. series. Since the "two" claim is unsourced, I'm going with "one". Looking at Baseball Almanac [1] here's how the Giants' rotation went during that stretch:

8/20 Shaw

8/21 Bolin

8/22 Marichal

8/23 Spahn

8/24 Shaw

8/25 Bolin

>>>>Marichal under suspension

8/26 Herbel (game 1) Perry (game 2)

8/27 Spahn

8/28 Shaw

8/29 Bolin

8/30 no game

>>>>Marichal under suspension

8/31 Herbel (game 1) Spahn (game 2)

9/1 no game

9/2 Marichal (game 1) Shaw (game 2)

9/3 Bolin

9/4 Herbel

9/5 Marichal

>>>Marichal not allowed on LA road trip

9/6 at LA - Spahn

9/7 at LA - Shaw

9/8 Bolin

9/9 Marichal

Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 10:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Too much baseball jargon

A majority of this article, while informative, contains too much baseball talk that could prove quite confusing to those unfamiliar with the game. The section on Marichal and Spahn's game, in particular, is loaded with baseball idioms, metaphors, and analogies. We should consider using more "straight talk" without totally destroying the voice and feel of the article, which otherwise is exceptionally good. (Thejason (talk) 23:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

Some examples, please? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Marichal and the Cy Young Award

A great example of the lack of respect that Marichal receives is his Cy Young Award history. He is the only pitcher in MLB history to win 25 games or more in a single season and not collect even one vote. More astonishing is the fact that this did not occur once, but three times (1963, 1966. 1968). To take this one step further Marichal, arguably the second best pitcher during the sixties, garnered not one single vote during the entire decade. His only Cy Young mention was one third place vote following the 1971 season. (Baseball-Reference.com)

When the "Hall of Fame" organizations do this, like they did with Ray Guy, they make themselves look shabby, not the players. Beccause of this when I read "Cy Young" or "Hall of Fame" now my first instinct is to sneer. 116.231.75.71 (talk) 08:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

This section is almost six years old but I will respond for the sake of correcting the "lack of respect" comment and also for future reference. In his best seasons, Marichal was outstanding. But he was also incredibly unlucky as, in each of those season, there was someone who was inarguably a lot better than him, who deservedly won unanimously. Well, it was two pitchers in particular.

In 1963, 1965, and 1966, it was Sandy Koufax. He won the pitcher's Triple Crown, striking out 300+ hitters in each of the seasons; he led almost every pitching category that mattered each time. Also worth mentioning: in 1965, Marichal hurt his own chances after the fight at Candlestick with John Roseboro - getting suspended hurt his numbers; 1965 could have otherwise been his year.

In 1968, of course, it was Bob Gibson and the Year of the Pitcher. Nobody was going to compete with the 1.12 ERA and the 13 shutouts. Not Marichal with his 26 wins and not Drysdale, the other top performer that year, with his 58.2 scoreless innings streak and 6 consecutive shutouts. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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"pronunciation"

The claim that "west coast announcers 'pronounce the name more like Spanish enunciation'." is bullshit. I listened to Giants games all through the 60's and it was ALWAYS "juan mare-i-shall" (more or less, I'm not that good with diacritical markings.) Sorry, do-gooders, this is simply untrue. And I am speaking particularly of the SF announcers on the team he played for, not back-easters announcing Giants games. Probably will remove this section in a day or so unless there is a reaction with documented proof. But there won't be, 'cuz whoever wrote that is WRONG. 116.231.75.71 (talk) 08:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)