Talk:Josephite marriage

For a May 2005 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Spiritual marriage

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Not too sure about the backwards vulgarity in the place of a supposed German proverb. Is the whole proverb sentance fake, or was just the proverb itself changed ?

Well, I will vote for deletion, as there is no citation.

reference for content research

here is a reference from googling this phrase: Spiritual Marriage: Sexual Abstinence in Medieval Wedlock by Elliot, D., published by Princeton University Press --Unfocused 21:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

There still needs to be much more citation. Please refer to Wikipedia's guidelines on citation as well as neutral point of view. Explain who holds a certain opinion, and why, along with a citation. It is not enough to claim that a view is held, it must be more fully explained. EvilPhoenix

• Please feel free to add whatever you feel is lacking, or tag the article for cleanup. I put in a starting point and gave a reference work to prove that it's a valid article unworthy of deleting. I also explained on the VfD page why I don't intend to go further right now. I have other interests to consume my time. --Unfocused 21:56, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Josephite

Although the name may come from Joseph and Mary, most protestants would regard that as a misnomer. (see the biblical references to Jesus's brothers and sisters - some take this literally, others want to believe that Mary remained a Virgin and so reinterpret these references).

-- Beardo 04:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Expansion

Should be more info about the history of early Christianity, when the Gnostics were even more ascetic than the orthodox Christians. AnonMoos 17:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

FLDS section

Does the FLDS section belong here? They used the term "spiritual marriage" to mean polygamy (with sex). That's very different than the commonly accepted definition of the term, which refers to chaste marriages (without sexual activity), and which is what the main article seems to be about. The two concepts don't really have any relation to each other apart from name. FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 07:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

2015

"comes from the original divine law that marriage should be the union between soulmates who are attracted to each other by divine magnetism and not by the animal magnetism of sexual activity. " Could anyone back up this statement? From what I remember from Bible study, Adam and Eve (the first married couple, defined as "one-flesh") were explicitly commanded to fill the earth, and if that was done asexually it would be nice to have a cited reference how it was done. AnonymousBrother201 (talk) 14:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 February 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested with the disambiguation page placed at the base title, per the unopposed proposal below. Dekimasuよ! 06:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

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Spiritual marriage → Josephite marriage – Hi, this is my first requested move and I'm not quite sure what I'm doing, sorry.
The term 'spiritual marriage' is used by different authors to refer to different things: to mystical marriage, to spiritual wifery and celestial marriage, to a marriage between soulmates or people otherwise spiritually aligned,, or to a marriage generally based on religious principles, (in particular, Bahá'í marriage) as well as to a marriage in which the spouses do not engage in sexual activity for religious reasons. The wikipedia article on spiritual marriage has at various times reflected several of the possible definitions of the term, in a muddled and conflicting way; I have removed unsourced and unencyclopedic soulmate material and improperly sourced spiritual wifery material, leaving only the celibate marriage material. I propose that this be moved to Josephite marriage, a more specific term for Christian celibate marriages, and that Spiritual marriage become a disambiguation page.

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Cheers, gnu57 02:43, 1 February 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

• Genericusername57, can you create the proposed disambiguation page at Spiritual marriage (disambiguation)? Dekimasuよ! 20:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
• Dekimasu, I have done so. (Also, I did a bit more research on the practice: it's apparently also called continent marriage and, in german, Josefsehe/Josephsehe.) Cheers, gnu57 03:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

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Genericusername57, did you consider WP:Primary topic? If you reply to me on this, I ask that you don't WP:Ping me. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:28, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Flyer22 Reborn, it seemed to me that there was no primary topic for 'spiritual marriage': although many different uses of the term appear in Google Books, each is more clearly distinguished under a different title (celestial, mystical, josephite/continent, etc.). Also, it didn't seem to me that the majority of sources agreed on calling a sexless-for-religious-reasons marriage 'spiritual': Elliot does, but Olsen rejects that and uses 'chaste' instead, and Boswell considers a handful of different options.

Do you think that 'Josephite marriage' excludes the gnostics? If so, I'd have no objection to renaming the page 'continent marriage'. which does show up more on google books and ngrams, but I suspect there are red herrings like "...for the people of this continent marriage is..."

I've just realized that the article Syneisaktism might have the strongest claim to being the primary topic. It also involves yet another thing called "spiritual marriage": people with pre-existing commitments to celibacy (a priest and a nun, e.g.) entering into an informal intimate relationship. Three of the sources I cited above appear to be describing Syneisaktism.

Cheers, gnu57 06:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Genericusername57, probably best to leave "spiritual marriage" as a disambiguation page for now. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:03, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

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