Talk:Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat

Technicolor/Technicolour

Since there's been some confusion over this, I thought it would make sense to lay out the facts... Technicolor is a trademark, hence the little (r) logo after the word Technicolor in the Joseph logos (see the new one for example). Technicolor is not changeable. The Oxford English Dictionary lists Technicolor (without the "u"), but not with it. And, I suppose, the ultimate authority: the Really Useful Group (that is, Andrew Lloyd Webber himself) lists it as "Technicolor" [1] and [2]. So please, pretty please, don't change it to Technicolour. It's not right. I'm as picky as anyone about British English spelling when they should be, but this is a case when it shouldn't be. Dafyd 10:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• If it's a trademark, should it have the symbol every time it appears, e.g. Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor^® Dreamcoat? (Just asking) Quizman1967 (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

   See wp:trademark or do a search for "trademark" in the Wikipedia namespace; IIRC the answer is something like " no, bcz WP is the creature of a non-profit" (in contrast to ALW's commercial entity). This may be a bright line drawn to avoid intentional or unintentional confusion of consumers, when a competitor makes a comparison to a competing product.

   BTW, rendering on my screen makes me wonder if your "sup" markup might either be redundant, or even make the symbol too hard to see and thus make "Technicolor^®" redundant in some environments and/or inadequate for achieving compliance in others. (You prolly can look up the answer in that Wikipedia thing.)
--Jerzy•t 08:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Might want to create a Discography section

The whole discography of Joseph is rather fascinating from anyone's point of view. Plus the ones we have listed in the article (not a complete list by any means) are scattered in obscure places and hard to find. It would be very interesting to list all of the discography, even the OOP albums, and some info on each -- that is, what stage the musical was at, who the performers are, where and why recorded. Softlavender (talk) 02:37, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Just as a start, this is a very incomplete list. It can be edited and expanded (I'm just lifting from the article). This is a discography and videography combined. It would also look good in chart form, where the dates could be set off, and the notes and main performers could be in separate boxes.

• 1969: Decca Records recorded the 15-minute "pop cantata" as a concept album. David Daltrey, front man of British psychedelic band Tales of Justine, played the role of Joseph; and Tim Rice was Pharaoh. Other vocalists included Terry Saunders and Malcolm Parry of the Mixed Bag.

• 1970: A recording of the musical, with 12 tracks, was issued in the U.S. on Scepter Records. It featured Tim Rice as Pharoah, Andrew Lloyd Webber on the organ, Alan Doggett conducting, various solo vocalists and instrumentalists, and the Colet Court choir as the chorus.

• 1972: The Young Vic production was recorded for an LP released on the RSO label.

• 1972: The Young Vic production was also televised in the UK by Granada Television.

• 1974: A recording of the full musical was released on the MCA label, again featuring Gary Bond, Peter Reeves, and Gordon Waller. This is the earliest recording of Joseph to eventually go to CD.

• 1979: A recording featuring Tim Rice as the Narrator and Paul Jones as Joseph, and Gordon Waller as Pharoah, on the Music For Pleasure label.

• 1982: The Broadway production was recorded for release on the Chrysalis label, and is the first to feature the Prologue (dubbed on the Chrysalis release "You are what you feel").

• 1991: The cast album of the London Palladium production was the #1 UK album for two weeks, and the single "Any Dream Will Do" from it was also the #1 UK single for two weeks.

• 1999: A video version with Donny Osmond in the title role was released, directed by David Mallet. Osmond had toured North America in the role after opening the Toronto revival in 1992. Maria Friedman appears as the Narrator; Richard Attenborough and Joan Collins also appear in the video.

References

• Additional info: https://www.loc.gov/item/smor.19721108/ -- Softlavender (talk) 02:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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What constitutes the "premiere"?

What constitutes the "premiere", for the infobox? Was it:

• The first-ever performance of the concept, as a 20-minute "pop cantata" at Colet Court School in London in 1968?
• The subsequent 1968 performance at St Paul's Cathedral?
• The first stage production (amateur), 1970, at Cathedral College of the Immaculate Conception in Queens, New York City (still as a relatively shortish concept piece, less than an hour)?
• The first production by a professional theatre company, 1972 at the Edinburgh International Festival by the Young Vic Theatre Company (in a double bill called Bible One: Two Looks at the Book of Genesis; Part I was Frank Dunlop's reworking of the first six of the medieval Wakefield Mystery Plays, with music by Alan Doggett), which transferred (in the same double bill) that same year to the Young Vic Theatre and then the Roundhouse?
• The first production of the show in its modern, final form (no long spoken prologue or double bill; all sung-through) at the Haymarket Theatre in Leicester in 1974?

-- Softlavender (talk) 04:35, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

• Update: I've used the professional premiere (Edinburgh International Festival) for the infobox, and cited it. Softlavender (talk) 05:13, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

• Update 2: Per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Theatre, I have removed the "premiere" parameter entirely, as it is confusing and misleading with this musical. Softlavender (talk) 23:52, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

More sources

These sources have more information on productions, etc.:

• https://books.google.com/books?id=Ib2awFyFUKoC&pg=PT550
• https://books.google.com/books?id=WPLaDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA135
• https://www.rnh.com/show/57/artwork/236#shows-history
• https://www.broadwayworld.com/pittsburgh/article/JOSEPH-THE-AMAZING-TECHNICOLOR-DREAMCOAT-Opens-At-Pittsburgh-CLO-526-20090512
• https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/892/552/2295429/
• https://books.google.com/books?id=RRFx7fFsi0AC&pg=PA213
• http://www.thisistheatre.com/londonshows/josephtechnicolordreamcoat.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/07/theater/pop-music-the-amazing-growth-of-joseph.html
• http://creativelearning.atg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Joseph-Education-Pack.pdf
• https://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/11/nyregion/theater-review-a-biblical-musical-written-by-the-young-and-still-for-youngsters.html
• https://books.google.com/books?id=E0QfmrqgbHwC&pg=PA142
• http://nytc.co.nz/pdfs/joseph-education.pdf
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1980/04/14/less-than-amazing-joseph/45a61a9f-1ae9-4551-a7be-7cb8b27f4c5d/
• https://books.google.com/books?id=gZ5ZCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA125
• [3]

-- Softlavender (talk) 05:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)