Talk:José Correia da Serra

Correa de Serra ≠ Correia da Serra

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In the context created by pt:Abade Correia da Serra, there can be no question that your recent edit to José Correa de Serra was justified. My question seems a bit awkward, but I'm wondering if you can help me understand why I was wrong in creating this article with a mis-spelling. I first encountered this scholar's name when I read his signature on a nomination letter for a proposed new member of the Royal Society in London. The penmanship is very clear -- hence my error and that of the archivists of the Society. You can see it for yourself, if you like. Isaac Titsingh was elected to membership in the Society in 1797; and his nomination letter has been posted with other similar membership records at the Royal Society web site.

• Royal Society Archive Catalogue
• Royal Society Archive Record: Titsingh -- EC/1797/12

The record identifies those signing Titsingh's nomination letter were: William Marsden, Henry Cavendish, Admiral John Dalrymple, José Correa de Serra, Maxwell Garthshore, William Larkins, John Lloyd, Henry Crathorne, Sir Charles Wilkins.

Also, although it it is no longer readily available for on-line viewing, I did find confirmation for my mistaken view in reading: Abbée Correa and the genesis of the Monroe Doctrine, John Parry Memorial Lecture, Harvard University (2000).

Could this have been one of those occasions when the conventions of spelling are in flux? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 19:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello Ooperhoofd! First of all let me tell what a delight it is to see someone with such care and attention to original sources as you! Regarding your questions about Correia da Serra, there is no doubt whatsoever that, in the modern European Portuguese spelling (I believe since 1911), his name should be writen Correia. Notice, as in the document you linked to, that he did not write his name as Correa, but as Corrêa, with an ^ over the "e" (he also didn't wrote José, but Joseph, also an archaic Portuguese spelling). This is a huge difference in Portuguese. It implies, and always implied, that his surname was not the Spanish one, and that one should read it as Correia. The archaic spelling is still common in Brazil. Thus, and also given the fact that in French and in English Correia is generally rendered and read as Correa, his name started to be writen internationally as such, but never in Portuguese, where it is almost everytime writen Correia and only as Corrêa if someone intencionally wants to render the archaic spelling. Also, his name was not José Correia de Serra, but José Correia da Serra, I'm moving the article once again... Life is an unending struggle! Cheers. The Ogre (talk) 19:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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