Talk:Jokhang

Still Standing?

The Tibet Post is claiming the Chinese authorities are in the process of demolishing it - anyone heard anything to corroborate that? Max sang (talk) 22:54, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

they are not demolishing  it  being restored and   Chinese authorities are putting a large mall in approximately 100 yards away.

http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/tibet/3382-china-destroys-the-ancient-buddhist-symbols-of-lhasa-city-in-tibet  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.120.149 (talk) 14:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC) 

Sects?

Was the Jokhang Nyingma and then Gelug? Is it considered pansectarian?Sylvain1972 19:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Over the centuries it was fought over and under the control of many different rulers and sects. The best source is: Gyurme Dorje, Tashi Tsering, Heather Stoddard and André Alexander (2010) Jokhang: Tibet's most sacred Buddhist Temple. London, Thames & Hudson. ISBN 978-500-097-692-0 - a large profusley illustrated volume. Chris Fynn (talk) 17:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The location needs correction to 29.653048, 91.132049. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.146.83 (talk) 15:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk · contribs) 21:25, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jokhang

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jokhang you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:25, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this article! I definitely learned a lot about Tibetan history while reviewing it. This is my first time doing a GA review so please bear with me. The article is very close to passing GA criteria. Since there are just a few improvements I've suggested, I'm going to put the article on hold for now. @Nvvchar:

Lead

• "Pan-sectarian in some respects, it is administered by the Gelug school." -Is it possible to use a word other than "pan-sectarian," or does that word have a specific meaning in Buddhism? It might be easier to understand something like "The temple is currently maintained by the Gelug school, but they accept worshipers from all sects of Buddhism."
  • Thanks, changed to suggested text

• "For most Tibetans it is the most sacred and important temple in Tibet." please reword so it doesn't match this site as closely (or is it a mirror of an earlier version of the article?).
  • Yes, done.

• "Many Nepalese artists worked on the temple's design and construction." -There's one sentence about this in the history section--does it merit being in the lead section as well? Can you summarize a little more of the history for the lead section?
  • Yes, lead expanded.
    • The lead has more text in it, but it doesn't summarize the history. It appears that you simply added the first two sentences from the history section to the lead section. I noticed in the history section that the temple's ownership changed many times. Perhaps you could start with "Over the years, the temple has been owned by..." and add in the different people/countries who took or had ownership of the temple. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

History

• I did a few edits in this section to make the spelling of Songtsen Gampo's name consistent. Songtsen's talk page recommended the "Songtsen" spelling.
• Thanks.

• "During this time the image of Akshobya Buddha in the Jokhang temple was hidden underground, reportedly undiscovered by 200 people." It's ambiguous whether the image was moved by 200 people or if 200 people failed to discover the Buddha image.
  • Modified as suggested

• "In Chinese development of Lhasa, Barkhor Square was encroached when the walkway around the temple was destroyed. An inner walkway was converted into a plaza, leaving only a short walkway as a pilgrimage route. In the square, religious objects related to the pilgrimage are sold.[14]" -Could this go with the paragraph above it regarding Chinese interference with the temple? I'm not sure if the fact is from the same time period, but if so, that would improve the paragraph structure.
  • Yes, changed

Architecture

• "The temple has an east-west orientation, facing Nepal in honour of Princess Bhrikuti. The monastery's main gate faces west." If the main gate and the direction the temple "faces" are the same, please combine these sentences in something like "The temple has an east-west orientation, facing Nepal to the west in honour of Princess Bhrikuti."
  • Done

Sources

There are some sources I'm not able to verify because they aren't available online. I'm able to see snippets through searching Google Books that show most of the sources are accurate (even the Australian one that appears not be relevant at first glance). I have text of all sources including snippets in my back up file. If you wish to know about some snippet text then I can post it here.

• Rachel Helps (BYU) Thanks for the review. I have complied to all suugestion and made changes in the article. Plese see. Nvvchar. 13:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

• Nvvchar See my comment on the lead section.Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

• User:Rachel Helps (BYU), Nvvchar's comuter is not working. I'll be working on this article now, please tell me about the issues so that I can solve. Regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:33, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• Rachel Helps (BYU) Titodutta Sorry for the delay in this compliance to the above observations. My laptop had crashed due to a global (132 countries) virus attack and was set right only a few hours back. I had requested my friend Totodutta to address the issues. But now that my laptop is functioning, I have added more text to the lead after shifting the second para. Pl see.Nvvchar. 14:29, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• Nvvchar Titodutta The lead summarizes the history much better now. I made a few minor changes and I've marked the page as passed. Thanks for all your hard work! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• Rachel Helps (BYU)Can you leave a message of this approval on my talk page as somehow the bot does not leave any message of GA approvals on my talk page. Thanks for the excellent review.Nvvchar. 01:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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I just find VERY sad that is article is: "This article is part of WikiProject China, a project to improve all China-related articles". If the wikipedia, (an online encyclopedia that should represent the free opinion of the population across the globe) places an article about the Jokhang Palace, a Tibetan heritage site of major importance as part of Wikipedia China, than something must be really wrong with the world. Nothing against China, it is a great nation, but Tibet is Tibet! Tibet is not China!! Cleverson

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