Talk:John Mateer's 'METRONOME'

Punctuation

Are we sure the curly q's are correct in the title? Can we show that they are required instead of standard punctuation? - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

John Mateer's 'METRONOME'

Like that? I just checked the websites it’s on and it’s mix of the two. I’m not really sure. If the standard on Wikipedia is to not used the curly ones then I’d say I agree it should be switched. I trust your call on that one. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Plot summary/notability notice

See, this is where I just fundamentally disagree with a lot of other Wikipedians when it comes to length of an article’s section etc. If the articles plot were shorter would this not just constitute as a stub? As for notability, just allow me or someone else some time to try and fix up the sources. If anything, could always just expand on the show’s summary in Mateer’s article. It just seems so awkward that the Wikilink in Osbourne’s filmography leads to Mateer’s personal biography rather than a stand-alone explanation of the show. Just my two cents! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 15:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Adolphus79 — I really am curious to hear your input on this, because you’re one of the few editors who I actually trust their judgement with. Sorry to just pull you into the discussion haha. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 15:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I have updated the link on Kelly Osbourne to direct here instead, done. As for the plot size, that is dictated by WP:FILMPLOT (500-700 words is the standard, and as I write this the plot is currently 701 words, not bad), that way we don't have anyone writing book length sections full of original research or just adding the entire script. As for the notability tag, most of the refs here are just short summaries showing the podcast exists (or pages listing/linking the podcast; spotify, audible, etc.), we need more reliable secondary sources independent of the subject (reviews in published sources, newspaper articles about it, interviews, etc. showing someone else thought it notable enough to write about) per the general guidelines for notability that every article must follow. It is not a bad article, it could just be better (the same can be said about almost any Wikipedia article if you look hard enough). - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah! Okay, this makes things clearer. I will definitely be sure to add some more notable sources of reviews/write ups etc. If anything, perhaps it is something that could be elaborated on more in Mateer's article. I just thought it excessive/irrelevant for a biography. Will wrap around to this again at some point soon! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 18:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

And thank you, Adolphus79. Nobody ever explains anything on here haha. For us new editors, good-faith editing that has errors could easily be a chance to show us the ropes. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

My apologies, I didn't mean to cause any distress or frustration. I find that tagging a page provides editors with time to address issues before someone jumps to something like a deletion discussion. My main concern with the plot tag was that the majority of the article is a plot rather than a summery of what reliable secondary sources have said about the subject. I think Adolphus addressed my concerns regarding notability, however, I would note that interviews often don't contribute notability because the information comes directly from someone who is connected to the subject making the source not independent. If you have any further questions feel free to ping me. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh no! Not speaking about you. My apologies. Was referencing an AfD situation that, admittedly, I am too hung up on haha.

I appreciate you tagging the article rather than nominating it. I hope that you do not feel as though I would see that as anything other than a constructive gesture. :) 4theloveofallthings (talk) 04:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I would recommend submitting articles to WP:AFC for your first few drafts rather than moving them to mainspace yourself. The review process may help avoid situations like that. TipsyElephant (talk) 10:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Dually noted. Thank you!

As for this article, I am working on an edit that I will submit once I have completed it (rather than flooding the revision history with silly edits like I seem to always do haha).. I will be sure to ping you when I publish it so that I can get feedback from you, if you would be so kind as to look it over. That, of course, is entirely your call!
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Kindly,
4theloveofallthings (talk) 02:50, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@4theloveofallthings: I would be willing to provide feedback once you've edited the article. However, I'm still not convinced the subject passes WP:N and would recommend redirecting to John_Mateer_(musician)#Podcasts. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for replying! I have been caught up in editing Flyana Boss and completely neglected to address this issue. On it!

However, I agree with your logic entirely and don’t think a redirect would be inappropriate in the slightest.

Standby! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 16:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I will have a my edit for you by tomorrow morning, if that is alright. If you still think the article would be better off as a redirect, you will not be getting an objection from me. I will trust that call and perhaps we would be able to bypass an AfD situation and just directly propose it be redirected — since I wouldn’t imagine there would be much opposition to the idea. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 17:46, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@4theloveofallthings: if there is no opposition we could do an uncontroversial merge or WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT. TipsyElephant (talk) 23:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! I definitely think that’s appropriate. I had just seen the unfinished draft and wanted to try and complete it, but the redirect would probably make the most sense. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 23:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Don’t mind my likely ridiculous question, but what’s the difference between a merge and redirecting? Sorry haha. I’m still only about a year into editing. Somehow that one escaped me. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 23:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@4theloveofallthings: a WP:MERGE often involves a formal discussion and content is actually moved to the target location with attribution in the edit history. A blank and redirect does not involve a discussion or any moving of content to the target. If any editors oppose the WP:BLAR they can revert the edit and any future changes must be discussed similar to WP:DEPRODing an article. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining! I could see the use in a merge. The plot, as already pointed out, is rather large though haha. I would have to assume that would be left out. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 03:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you TipsyElephant! You were definitely right this makes more sense. Sorry about that! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 20:18, 31 July 2023 (UTC)