Talk:John Lindsay

Attention

The lead section contains a great deal of POV. --Dpr 08:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

This entire page is either plagiarized from www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/john_lindsay or the other way around. Or perhaps there is one author for both. This needs must be investigated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanley011 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 14 February 2006

This is totally crazy regarding the amount of POV here. Something has to be done, unfortunateky I am not at all qualified to change this article as I know little about the man.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwahammy (talk • contribs) 06:06, 5 April 2006

POV Lead Section

The lead section is outrageously POV. I am replacing it with a more factual lead section. Ortcutt 06:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I may be no Lindsay fan but this was brutality. I appreciate the restraint of the author not calling Lidsay a "n- loving, blue collar ethnic white man hating, soft-bellied, snobbish, s.o.b". Or did he get that in by the fourth paragraph next to the "damn those n- for destroying America". POV problems? Just a few.

I happen to like Mr. Lindsay, and I share in your assessment of this page. The original author had no intent but to smear not only Lindsay, but also the black community in New York, as well. I'd love to work on this, but I will be away for awhile. I'll find some wiki people well-acquianted with NYC politics to fix it upPorvida 00:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

--Work permit (talk) 04:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced as well

The references that do exist, only 1 is in the format preferred for wiki. I also agree that this has some major POV issues. I will be looking into flagging this article for both. UnseemlyWeasel 04:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

"Not one person rated its performance excellent"? Really??? How many people were polled? The reference goes to a dead link. I think this extremely improbably statement should be removed unless it can be referenced better. [RichAromas] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.132.118 (talk) 01:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Link to New York Times article repaired--Work permit (talk) 04:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Removing POV

Article has been cleaned up imho --Work permit (talk) 04:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Serpico

What about some mention of the widespread police corruption that he allowed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.236.138 (talk) 10:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Without health insurance

"..., Lindsay in the 1990s was left in failing health and without health insurance. Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani appointed Lindsay to several largely ceremonial posts as a way to qualify him for municipal health insurance.[33]" Lindsay was 65 in 1986, and thus age-eligible for Medicare. So it isn't obvious how he was "without health insurance" in the nineties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.65.211 (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Article accurately reflects what the source tells us. (And good luck to anyone who tries to get by on Medicare alone.) Tvoz/talk 00:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Renewed Call for Attention

Perhaps this page is improved since the original call for attention in 2005, but it remains quite biased both in what is included (for instance quoting only historical assessments critical of Lindsay) and what is not (last I looked, Lindsay's tenure is most famous for his efforts to reach out to minorities, especially african-americans and his success in keeping NYC calm the night MLK died and many cities erupted in riots. This is not mentioned in the article even though it is his chief claim to fame.) Many items seem to be included not because of historical importance but purely to color the readers view of the man.

Equally of concern, I instantly came across numerous instances of plagiarism from the (more complete) NYT obituary.

I know a lot of you old people are still settling scores with the man, but those of us less emotionally invested would appreciate a more dispassionate treatment of a historical figure and his no-doubt ambiguous legacy TheCormac (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Good changes. I added another positive comment under legacy. I did restore the quote on little Sheba, as it was well publicisized (though I'm not wedded to it if you feel strongly about it). Some of your edits didn't refelect the sources, so I changed them to reflect the sources. I'll start going through the sources and paraphrase where there are signs of plagiarism--Work permit (talk) 04:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree that his success in keeping NYC calm deserves at least a paragraph. Would you be willing to to do that?--Work permit (talk) 04:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

(here's a primary source: Lindsay talking —to reporters, on two different days— about walking into Harlem on the night of the MLK shooting and listening to people express their unhappiness, and also about Lindsay;s service on the Kerner Commission HERE: http://vimeo.com/29059973 "Archival footage from the WNYC-TV Moving Image Collection, Municipal Archives, City of New York" ~ thanks everyone for giving this article your editing efforts Mang (talk) 23:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC))

Given the concerns of bias in the article, i specifically avoided adding references to lindsays service on the Kerner Commission. The report was largely ignored by the president who commisioned it and later lambasted on a number of fronts.--Work permit (talk) 04:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

that's ok. But since the Kerner commission did exist, and he did serve on it, it warrants mentioning, even if it was an ineffectual or controversial body. Someone will probably put that bit in. Mang (talk) 13:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've put some in. It still needs work, but I found some decent sources. My personal takeaway while researching to make constructive edits is that Lindsay had good intentions, but wasn't great at managing a city. Lindsay-lovers and Lindsay-haters both have their opinions to this day at [1], and there are a lot of 'em. Mang (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Liberal or moderate conservative?

Which one was he?

Defeated or not?

Was Lindsay term limited or defeated? Here in the UK the tale is often told of how Lindsay could out charismatic JFK but was defeated by a boring dull opponent who turned it against him by running on a slogan like "had enough of charisma". Is this a true tale or a myth from misremembering? Timrollpickering (talk) 13:59, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

In 1973, Lindsay declined to seek a third term and was succeeded by Abe Beame. In 1977, Ed Koch ran and won using the slogan, "After eight years of charisma and four years of the clubhouse, it's time for a working mayor."Bellczar (talk) 17:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

POV claim

Still does not have a NPOV for example his positive role after the Martin Luther King riots is entirely absent. See, for example, http://www.themorningnews.org/article/the-night-new-york-avoided-a-riot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.201.244 (talk • contribs) 02:30, May 2, 2013‎

The article needs work, but note that there is actually no discussion here about POV, just some old comments. And Lindsay's work to avert riots in NY is alluded to in the section about his re-election campaign. Feel free to help improve the article - it needs it. Tvoz/talk 01:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

A section was added on king riots, kerner commission. I've removed the pov tag. --Work permit (talk) 06:39, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

It was said?

"It was said that when he left, he broke down and cried over the fact he did not do more as mayor."

Uncited weasel phrasing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.204.117 (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Agreed i deleted it. Work permit (talk) 03:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Assessment section

In the beginning of "renewed call for attention" section of Talk, above, a writer (in 2010) mentions the negative reviews in the "assessment" section, which is exactly what I noticed when reading the article. Nearly all the reviews - which are mere opinions, not facts - are negative. Would the article be any worse if the entire Assessment section was removed?Browntable (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

better to add postive assesments imho Work permit (talk) 04:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)