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Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I have changed it to "presumed" to take away some of the certainty, but also to indicate the near certainty. What we know from the record is that he was quarrelsome, vain, and that his family had no trouble sending his brothers through Westminster. His departure, therefore, is almost certain to have come from some misdeed. The utter silence on the reason for his departure has been seen as a hint that it was something truly unseemly, as schools (and people) would say, if the offense were most things. This is not to say that he was engaged in some homosexual act, but it does indicate something at least in that category. For those people who wish to see Cleland as homosexual, it's proof. For the rest of us, it's just a thing that seems likely but ultimately inconsequential. Geogre 21:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
The Cleland family was prosperous in the 18th century, and John Cleland's brothers had children. However, we do not have any near descendants of them, much less John, who rise to the level of Wikipedia articles. Edmund Kean can be rightly noted as the grandson of Henry Carey (writer), because both are encyclopedic and the degree is two generations. We really need to steer clear of tracing families. Geogre (talk) 11:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Reply
There is another book by Cleland not included in the list here of his works: "Memoirs of an Oxford Scholar." I have a paperback dating to 1968, and it was distributed by Grove Press, a credible publisher.~~opusvv5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opusv5 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)Reply
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