Talk:John Banks (New Zealand politician)

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One question- is there any requirement for citations here? I can think of a couple of biographical tomes about the aforementioned gentleman (sic) that might be useful in the current context

[User: Calibanu] 13:27 O9 April 2006

References now added. [User: Calibanu] 13: 44, 09 April 2006

Children references

This might be a better reference for Banks and his adopted children - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/627026 . What do you think?` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.90.251.208 (talk) 05:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

• It is better, don't see any harm in having both. From that source it's best to use WebCite, articles appear to get deleted after some time. XLerate (talk) 07:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it's a good article to link to, especially since the current link is a critical opinion piece (but not aimed at Banks). I don't know what the Stuff archive policy is. It used to be that material disappeared fairly quickly from their website, but in the last year or so it seems more persistent. This might vary according to which paper originally published the information. Using webcite is still the safest option. I've archived this story at [1].-gadfium 08:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Dates?

This article says that he took over from Sir Robert Muldoon in 1996 on talk back radio but Muldoon died in 1992. Can someone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.90.93.126 (talk) 02:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I've reworded it a bit. The source I've cited said in early 2005 that he started 8 years earlier, which might have been in 1992 or 1993. I don't know when Muldoon's last show was, but it seems likely that there was a gap between Muldoon finishing and Banks starting. However, Muldoon suggested that Banks replace him. If anyone has a copy of either of the biographies of Banks they should give more precise dates. I'll try to remember to pick one up from the library tomorrow.-gadfium 03:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

He started the programme on 16 August 1992, according to the 1997 edition of Goldsmith's biography. Muldoon died on 5 August, 11 days earlier, but Banks had filled in for him on occasions during 1991 and 1992. I think your question is now adequately answered.-gadfium 05:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Huljich Bros reference

This section seems highly suspect. There is very little newsworthiness in most of what is there, and in fact can be adequately covered in other parts of the article. Given that there is an election on that Banks is participating in, it looks like a smear is in process. Perhaps it would be better to drop this part, and incorporate a buit more about Banks' business interests in the main body of text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.90.68.43 (talk) 00:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

NPOV / Refs

I have done some minor tidying up of this article and added tags for refs. This article is a BLP - therefore must have strong refs. There are large chunks of material up here that don't - so if no refs can be provided, they need to be removed. The article seems weighted on the negative things that Banks did as Mayor, and on issues like the fact 'he lost' elections etc. There also seems to be a large chunk (when compared to other parts of the article) on the 'Campaign donation controversy'. Perhaps this needs to be edited down to be more in line with other material? Clarke43 (talk) 22:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I've done quite a bit on either adding refs or removing things that I can't find any support for. Still some 'citations needed', but it's a lot better. The "donation controversy" has obviously come a long way since June 2013, and will probably end up in a separate article. Either way, though, it's definitely a very important part of John Banks' career now. So I'm hoping that we're getting close to removing the NPOV flag from this article. If we can get a bit more talk here I'll know if I'm on the right track or not. Elguaponz (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

End of career

I don't think that it can be stated as a fact that "The conviction, if entered, will end his parliamentary career". This is not a fact, or even likely. His career was probably ended by the charge, and if not by that, then by the guilty verdict. Formal conviction will make little difference.101.98.175.68 (talk) 06:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

-- It is poorly worded, but I think the point being made is that if he is convicted of a crime punishable with a term of 2 years or more, it is not possible for him to be a member of parliament again - this is a fact of law. Formal conviction is the official nail in the coffin for his parliamentary career. If he is not convicted, it is possible, however unlikely it might be seen, that he could win another electorate, or find himself on a party list. Ridcully Jack (talk) 01:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

-- Yes, that's right. Either way it'll need replacing after sentencing. Elguaponz (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

New article for false electoral return?

What do people think about splitting the 'False electoral return' section into a new article? I think it should be, especially if a conviction is entered.

• It's not only about Banks. The same events ought to play a part in the Kim Dotcom and Graham McCready articles, and possibly others.
• The trial and verdict are, I would argue, notable in and of themselves. I don't want to throw around phrases like "goes to the heart of our democracy", but I just did and this case kind of does.
• The IPCC investigation of the original police investigation surely deserves a mention, but it doesn't really belong in this John Banks article.
• The story may yet continue if McCready's actions against John Key and the Police go anywhere.

Elguaponz (talk) 00:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Those are all good arguments for a standalone article, and it surely is a notable topic once a conviction has been entered, and it may already be notable. Schwede66 00:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not too sure about the specific notability criteria for a case like this, but sounds good to me! Ballofstring (talk) 01:28, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Let's wait until sentencing. That'll give time for any other comments, and let us see a bit more of the story unfold. If a conviction is entered and there's no-one opposing the creation of a new article, that will be a good time for the move. Elguaponz (talk) 04:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh boy, the twists keep coming. Banks claims he has evidence that he'll use to appeal. If he's right and he ends up not guilty, maybe the separate article wouldn't be worth it. Elguaponz (talk) 23:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Debating New Zealand's 1993 Human Rights Act

Robd007, I'm not entirely sure where you are coming from. You say "look at the source of the quote, its a typo", but the source as given, the GayNZ.com website, has "his country" rather than what you have changed it to, "this country". Or are you saying that what's on the GayNZ.com website is wrong, and what's recorded in the Parliamentary Debates says "this country"? If so, please dig out the relevant volume and provide it here. Schwede66 18:31, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

According to New Zealand Hansard of Thursday June 10 1993, the quote is "this country". The source is not responding for me, but a google search shows a snippet: [2].-gadfium 19:44, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Here's Dalziel quoting Banks, but couldn't find him saying that himself. Schwede66 20:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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