Talk:John Agitation

Can't understand why my original submission of the "John Agitation" article was chopped by an Filing Flunky. I took great pains to identify the source of everything I submitted, either in the body of the work itself, or in the "Sources" chamber. Kid5rivers (talk) 09:13, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Biographical detail like "Ramdeen Ramjattan entered the world in the wee hours of a 1927 August morning on a cocoa estate in Caratal, Trinbago where his father worked. To announce the joyous news, his father fired five shots into the pitch-black sky. In years to come, he would recount the tale as read the newspapers to his unlettered father; and at night he would regale the entire family with Anansi stories about soucouyants and douens, around a kerosene lamp, leaving them "frighten like hell". When a friend smuggled him into a beauty pageant at the Queen's Park Oval, Ramdeen was more fascinated with how comedian Jack Spector got laughs than the beauty queens on show." was unsourced, for example, and is probably unverifiable. It also isn't really written in the WP:Tone you'd expect in an encyclopedia. Please let me know if I can help with the referencing. Thanks, Filing Flunky (talk) 09:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The reference is in the sources I quoted at the end of the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kid5rivers (talk • contribs) 09:19, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the version you submitted, I can't find it. Which source do you mean please? Thanks, Filing Flunky (talk) 09:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

It's at the bottom of the article (as heavily-edited by you). It's now under the renamed caption "References". I'd used the caption "Sources" when I posted the article. Kid5rivers (talk) 09:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC) PS: the one name "de MontbrunLandy de Montbrun" Kid5rivers (talk) 09:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC) So? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kid5rivers (talk • contribs) 09:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The purpose of my creating this article is that none exists of the subject. In Trinidad and Tobago, which is my native land and where I live, there is a woeful dearth of recorded history concerning our notable sons and daughters. Perhaps it's because of our history? Who knows? The fact is, there is! Which is why for the past five years I've been trying to change all that. I lost a lot of work when my first computer crashed, so I've learnt from that experience. So when I see administrators commenting/putting tags like "reference needed/missing" etc, my reply is that it's impossible to link to what never existed...which is not the same as saying what I write never happened or isn't verifiable. How can one verify to Wikipedia's satisfaction in a case such as the subject of this article? Must the subject subject himself personally to Wikipedia's scrutiny? I dunno if that's practicable. Or, is Wikipedia slanted against geographically-tiny countries such as mine? Again, I dunno. So, I need some answers. In closing I repeat that everything I write is credited to a source, whether that source is Wikipedia or not...in the case of non-Wikipedia, only if Wikipedia has nothing would I resort elsewhere. And, as far as I recall, Wikipedia was launched to permit contributions of the sort I only recently began to make. Bless! Kid5rivers (talk) 11:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Of course Wikipedia isn't "against geographically-tiny countries": see Category:Trinidad and Tobago. But biographies of living people must be supported with WP:Verifiable references from WP:Reliable sources, so please don't add any more content about him that isn't verifiable. I have twice now moved the references inline, where the assertions made can be linked to the reference that supports them. Please don't move them back to the end, because this makes it guesswork as to what in the article is supported by the references, and what is unreferenced hearsay. Thanks, Filing Flunky (talk) 12:45, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

In time I'll get the hang of referencing properly within the body of the articles i submit. Meanwhile, I'll simply link certain words and phrases to Wikipedia or whatever...which is what I originally did. Bless! Hope you and all Wikipeeps had a good Christmas? Kid5rivers (talk) 14:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC) PS: In time to come too, yall would realize Kid5rivers doesn't cotton to hearsay. Kid5rivers (talk) 14:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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