Talk:Joan Plowright

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Baroness

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Lady Olivier, surely - rather than Baroness - which would suggest she held the title in her own right? Wikiman, 28th July 2006

This is always a contentious issue on Wikipedia. The wife of a life peer is a baroness, because a life peer is a baron. By convention, they are always addressed as "Lady", while a life peeress in her own right is addressed as "Baroness". But then, male life peers are always addressed as "Lord" (not "Baron"), yet on Wikipedia we use Baron. Using "Baroness" for a peer's wife is therefore consistent. JRawle (Talk) 01:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)Reply
I'm sorry, but this is just plain wrong, the title of Baroness is only ever used to refer to someone who is a peer in her own right. Otherwise, the courtesy title of the wife of a knight or life peer is always 'Lady <surname>'. To quote Burke's Peerage:
A baron's wife should be referred to in print as 'Lady Blank', 'The Lady Blank' or 'The Rt Hon The Lady Blank' in ascending order of formality and a baron's divorced wife as 'Jane Lady Blank'. A baron's children are addressed on an envelope as 'The Hon [short for 'Honourable' and sometimes still, if in rather old fashioned style, only partly shortened to Hon.ble] Adam/Eve Binks' (where Binks is the name of the family holding the barony of, e.g., Blank). They have no special form of address in direct speech. A baron would normally be addressed to his face as 'Lord Blank', his wife, whether current or divorced, and widow as 'Lady Blank'. Some peers and peeresses do not use the prefix Rt Hon on the grounds that it more properly belongs to Privy Counsellors: Lady Grimthorpe is one such among wives of barons. The form of second person address 'My Lord'/,My Lady', formerly in use even by those who felt themselves the social equal (or even the social superior) of the holder of the barony or his wife/former wife/widow, would now tend to be used only by domestic servants (if any), estate workers (if any), tenants (if any) and tradesmen in a small way of business.[1] user:lawsonrob 2028, 26 November 2006

Also, it should definitely be stated in this entry that, publicly, as an actress, she is indeed known as Dame Joan Plowright. Her title of "Lady Olivier" is her "private life" title.

Marriage to Olivier

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213.219.151.76 (talkcontribs) removed this text, commenting in the edit summary, "remove uncited weasly gossip - if cite found reinsert":

although there is evidence that they were estranged some years before that event, possibly due to Olivier's bisexuality, but more likely because of his growing problems with alcohol.

I found the following citation [2], however the article is dated May 2006, and so I suspect is using Wikipedia as its source. Therefore I'm not re-inserting the passage for the moment.

JRawle (Talk) 22:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Fair use rationale for Image:Joan Plowright.png

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Moved from article Keith D (talk) 09:54, 21 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

This is incorrect. Dame Joan is not a Baroness and is not entitled to be called ' the Right Honourable'. That title is reserved for members of the Privy Council - a mistake which is sadly made a great deal on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:c382:d200:c57c:1fe1:bf09:14b3 (talkcontribs) 22:51, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Title again

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185.186.207.96, Gold Wiz113, Angus.irvine.9, as just the latest to contend Plowright's titles, please discuss here instead of flipping the article back and forth. And you should really be relying on how reliable sources refer to this individual person, rather than arguing about how titling rules ought to be applied to her. -- Fyrael (talk) 14:16, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply